Is it possible for a human to beat an engine without another engine?

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Then you can run analysis and see if he uses an engine.
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BeepBeepImA747 wrote:
I've looked at your daily game; Your opponent does play suspiciously like Stockfish 8. He's got forced mate, so I would resign now.

You must be looking at the wrong game. My opponent does not even have two pieces that can mate my king together silly happy.png. If you study checkmates it will help you get your rating over 1000 and play better and better.

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My rating is over 1000
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You're rated over 1000 and you can't evaluate the position in my daily game as winning for black? Huh. I guess players on this site are overrated. You know what, just boot up stockfish, that'll tell you exactly what's going on. happy.png

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Which daily game are you talking about?
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I dunno which one are you talking about? Link it in a post. 

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HungryHungry wrote:

I've been coached by Maxim Dlugy, he's a really, really good player and stand up guy who works hard at chess. You don't need to make up things about Dlugy. I did a quick google search and there's nothing to back up your claim. Also, Dlugy was beating Kasparov long before computers were even a thing. I don't know what world you're living on but it ain't mine.

 

Obviously he's a strong grandmaster who works hard on chess.

You've already decided what you think the truth is, but I'll take the bait. You can keep pretending like your search had no result if you want to. I look forward to you explaining any of this.

 

 

- He got kicked from a TT in April this year on a perfect 8/8 streak. Analysis showed he played with inhuman accuracy and speed in all games against significantly stronger grandmasters. Statistical tools that measure best move accuracy that made all world champions look like patzers. His other TT tournaments showed the same impossible accuracy.

- He used to make videos, write columns and livestream on this site. All of those have been discontinued since that infamous TT. He used to be a very active member playing thousands of games, but since he was banned from that tournament he hasn't played a single game. Not one.

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Accusing your opponent of cheating in a losing position is terrible. Get some proof than report them.
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Pyotrvich wrote:
HungryHungry wrote:

I've been coached by Maxim Dlugy, he's a really, really good player and stand up guy who works hard at chess. You don't need to make up things about Dlugy. I did a quick google search and there's nothing to back up your claim. Also, Dlugy was beating Kasparov long before computers were even a thing. I don't know what world you're living on but it ain't mine.

 

Obviously he's a strong grandmaster who works hard on chess.

You've already decided what you think the truth is, but I'll take the bait. You can keep pretending like your search had no result if you want to. I look forward to you explaining any of this.

 

 

- He got kicked from a TT in April this year on a perfect 8/8 streak. Analysis showed he played with inhuman accuracy and speed in all games against significantly stronger grandmasters. Statistical tools that measure best move accuracy that made all world champions look like patzers. His other TT tournaments showed the same impossible accuracy.

- He used to make videos, write columns and livestream on this site. All of those have been discontinued since that infamous TT. He used to be a very active member playing thousands of games, but since he was banned from that tournament he hasn't played a single game. Not one.

 

There were results, but not credible ones. It is like trusting a conspiracy blog post that says that aliens are controlling the government and created Trump to destroy mankind. These are reddit posts and its the only people even thinking about it. If you can get me a link to the games that were played, I will check if they are "engine style". I am a very good chess player and part of a lineage stretching back to Jack Collins, Bobby Fischer's teacher. You can change my mind by procuring the games so I may see, with my own eyes, whether he cheated or not.

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HungryHungry wrote:

 

I will check if they are "engine style". I am a very good chess player and part of a lineage stretching back to Jack Collins, Bobby Fischer's teacher. You can change my mind by procuring the games so I may see, with my own eyes, whether he cheated or not.

 

Lol.

You are a very mediocre player.

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HungryHungry wrote:
Pyotrvich wrote:
HungryHungry wrote:

I've been coached by Maxim Dlugy, he's a really, really good player and stand up guy who works hard at chess. You don't need to make up things about Dlugy. I did a quick google search and there's nothing to back up your claim. Also, Dlugy was beating Kasparov long before computers were even a thing. I don't know what world you're living on but it ain't mine.

 

Obviously he's a strong grandmaster who works hard on chess.

You've already decided what you think the truth is, but I'll take the bait. You can keep pretending like your search had no result if you want to. I look forward to you explaining any of this.

 

 

- He got kicked from a TT in April this year on a perfect 8/8 streak. Analysis showed he played with inhuman accuracy and speed in all games against significantly stronger grandmasters. Statistical tools that measure best move accuracy that made all world champions look like patzers. His other TT tournaments showed the same impossible accuracy.

- He used to make videos, write columns and livestream on this site. All of those have been discontinued since that infamous TT. He used to be a very active member playing thousands of games, but since he was banned from that tournament he hasn't played a single game. Not one.

 

There were results, but not credible ones. It is like trusting a conspiracy blog post that says that aliens are controlling the government and created Trump to destroy mankind. These are reddit posts and its the only people even thinking about it. If you can get me a link to the games that were played, I will check if they are "engine style". I am a very good chess player and part of a lineage stretching back to Jack Collins, Bobby Fischer's teacher. You can change my mind by procuring the games so I may see, with my own eyes, whether he cheated or not.

http://www.viewchess.com/cbreader/2017/8/13/Game326514937.html

 

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He isn't necessarily mediocre, just intermediate.
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Harmbtn wrote:
HungryHungry wrote:

 

I will check if they are "engine style". I am a very good chess player and part of a lineage stretching back to Jack Collins, Bobby Fischer's teacher. You can change my mind by procuring the games so I may see, with my own eyes, whether he cheated or not.

 

Lol.

You are a very mediocre player.

And I could beat you in rapid anytime, just say the word happy.png

 

@Pytrovich I looked through almost all of Dlugy's games. Unless he cheated part of the way through, and only in parts of certain games, there was no way he did. A lot of his moves are "Dlugy style" in almost all parts of the games. In some of the games he sacrifices unsoundly just to put the guy over on time. As far as centaur cheating goes, he would have used a lot more time doing that. I mean, this is the guy who beat Kasparov in the world blitz championships, this is the guy who calculates faster than Tal. This is the guy who goes 3-0 against Kasparov in blitz training games and then Kasparov has to play until he wears Dlugy down and starts winning games. This is the world's best blitz player period and still one of the best players in the world in classical time controls. He doesn't need to cheat. And he didn't. As for why he stopped doing content. He was recently promoted to a high position in the chess world, I imagine he has less free time and wants to spend it with his family.

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HungryHungry wrote:

...I mean, this is the guy who beat Kasparov in the world blitz championships, this is the guy who calculates faster than Tal. This is the guy who goes 3-0 against Kasparov in blitz training games and then Kasparov has to play until he wears Dlugy down and starts winning games. This is the world's best blitz player period and one of the best players in the world in classical time controls. 

do you have a source for this information?

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You are 1600 rapid. That is better than me, but it is not "really good". That is an intermediate, respectable rating, but it's not "really good"
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HungryHungry wrote:

He was recently promoted to a high position in the chess world...

which position?

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HungryHungry wrote:

 

There were results, but not credible ones. It is like trusting a conspiracy blog post that says that aliens are controlling the government and created Trump to destroy mankind. These are reddit posts and its the only people even thinking about it. If you can get me a link to the games that were played, I will check if they are "engine style". I am a very good chess player and part of a lineage stretching back to Jack Collins, Bobby Fischer's teacher. You can change my mind by procuring the games so I may see, with my own eyes, whether he cheated or not.

 

You and me both are terrible chess players. What you see with your own eyes has zero merit as you are about 1000 rating points short of having a qualified opinion. Only statistics can help us see.

I'm not talking about reddit, I don't give a rats @$$ what they write on that site.

Trying to discredit me by comparing me to conspiracy blogs instead of addressing my points shows how weak your arguments are.

Since you’re incapable of finding it yourself I’ll paste the most damning evidence:

https://www.chess.com/clubs/forum/view/dlugy-and-titled-tuesday?page=1

Dlugy’s engine first move correlation was

78.25% Titled Tuesday April 2017 (the one he was banned from)

74.29% Titled Tuesday December 2016 (Dlugy won this event)

80.01% Titled Tuesday January 2017 (Dlugy won this event)

These are all impossibly high correlations for humans, not once did he make even a single inaccuracy.

For reference these are the correlations for the 2016 world blitz championship, notice how only Carlsen is above 60%.

2016 World Blitz

 

Karjakin, 2800

56.58

Carlsen, 2906

61.16

Dubov, 2724

53.12

Nakamura, 2842

51.29

Grischuk, 2761

56.35

Vachier-Lagrave, 2823

48.86

Dominguez Perez, 2783

55.25

Korobov, 2666

47.75

Ivanchuk, 2754

53.15

Anand, 2754

55.80

Leko, 2697

51.60

Nepomniachtchi, 2830

51.05

Salem, 2636

49.70

Wei, 2636

48.30

Jobava, 2752

49.20

Yu, 2712

48.42

Riazantsev, 2678

48.43

Onischuk, 2740

46.19

Wojtaszek, 2666

51.70

 

Here is list for Tata Steel 2017

Giri, 2773

68.15

Aronian, 2780

67.77

Nepomniachtchi, 2767

67.67

Carlsen, 2840

67.62

Hansen, 2603

67.58

Ragger, 2697

67.15

Tari, 2584

66.77

Adhiban, 2653

65.69

Wei, 2706

65.23

Wojtaszek, 2750

65.23

L'Ami, 2605

64.75

Jones, 2665

64.50

Karjakin, 2785

64.00

Bok, 2608

63.92

Andreikin, 2736

63.67

Van Wely, 2695

63.54

Harikrishna, 2766

63.31

Eljanov, 2755

62.46

Xiong, 2667

61.92

So, 2808

60.75

Grandelius, 2642

58.83

Van Foreest, 2612

58.69

Lu, 2612

58.23

Rapport, 2702

56.54

Lei, 2467

56.23

Smirin, 2667

55.42

Dobrov, 2499

52.92

Guramishvili, 2370

41.31

 

Do you honestly think Dlugy would smash the accuracy of the best players on the planet in standard time control in his 3+2 blitz games?

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HungryHungry wrote:

And I could beat you in rapid anytime, just say the word

 

Big words from someone rated below me. 

I remember the tournament he got kicked from well. It caused a lot of controversy. The most telling part of it was how the post-tournament article didn't mention a word about him, even though he was beating all the top players spectacularly. Not a single one of his games was highlighted in the article. 

https://www.chess.com/news/view/sergey-grigoriants-wins-speed-chess-qualifier-1-7443

Only because of all the pressure did they later  add this footnote.

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Why do you think that is?

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No. It can't be done. 

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BobbyTalparov wrote:

Calling a strong GM a fraud when the video is on chess.com is a bit silly. For the rest of your comment, it is best discussed in the cheating forum.

 

The truth is ugly, let's hide it.

And why is it silly? He cheated and disappeared. It puts his other accomplishments under question.

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