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Ubik42 wrote:

You said anecdotal evidence is a figure of speech, then you accused me of using anecdotal evidence. I am just pointing out your contradictions. Don't blame the messenger.

And no, the article cited scientific studies. You do have to learn quite a bit about the difference between "scientific study" and "anecdote". 

Again, I blame the schools. They did a rather poor job on your behalf, I am afraid.

You're falling all over yourself now.  You provided anecdotal evidence (e.g., a story instead of science).  So I'm not self-contradicting.

Here  is what you posted from the article, for us to read.  So, please, explain to us so called uneducated folks how that is not a story (anecdote) and is scientific evidence:

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"For nearly two years after her disappearance Amanda Berry's mother, Louwana Miller, held out hope that her daughter would be found alive and returned to her: Maybe Amanda ran away from home and would come back some day, or was in an accident and somehow lost her memory. Miller endured the terrible limbo of not knowing, holding out hope against the odds but not wanting to believe the worst.

Berry reportedly broke through a door where she had been held captive and called for help; two other missing women, Gina DeJesus and Michele Knight, were also rescued from the home. The home's owner, Ariel Castro, and his two brothers have been arrested in connection with the case. 

But before the seeming miracle ending, "Plain Dealer" writer Stephan Hudak noted, "Desperate for any clue as to Amanda Berry's whereabouts, and tired of unanswered questions from authorities, Miller turned to a psychic on Montel Williams' nationally syndicated television show. The psychic said what the FBI, police and Miller hadn't. 'She's not alive, honey,' Sylvia Browne told her matter-of-factly. 'Your daughter's not the kind who wouldn't call.' With those blunt words, Browne persuaded Miller to accept a grim probability that has become more likely with each passing day."

Miller returned home devastated, and she died two years later, believing that her daughter was dead."

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Ubik42

As I said in post #310:

 

"Selective memory, fortunately, has been studied scientifically:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

I suggest reading, and learning, instead of arguing. Confirmation bias happens. Learning all the silly things your brain does won't prevent all occurences of it, but it is a start."

 

And if you do as I suggested, follow the link and read and understand (instead of arguing) you might come away with some useful knowledge.

I am not bragging, since I didn't discover this. Just trying to share. Confirmation bias is very prevalent and a wondeful thing to try to understand about yourself.

 

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Ubik42 wrote:

As I said in post #310: 

"Selective memory, fortunately, has been studied scientifically:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

I suggest reading, and learning, instead of arguing. Confirmation bias happens. Learning all the silly things your brain does won't prevent all occurences of it, but it is a start."

 

And if you do as I suggested, follow the link and read and understand (instead of arguing) you might come away with some useful knowledge.

I am not bragging, since I didn't discover this. Just trying to share. Confirmation bias is very prevalent and a wondeful thing to try to understand about yourself.

 

I'm a lot better informed and skeptical than you think I am.

I read all kinds of stuff.  The problem with your approach here is that you seem to be trying to imply that because there are naive, genetically challenged, misinformed, gullible or religious sorts in the world that genuine psychic phenomena therefore doesn't exist.  And you don't have conclusive proof of that, so we're back to no one proved anything or will tonight, which returns us to many posts ago when you should have dropped it.

TheGrobe

He doesn't need conclusive proof, the burden of proof is on the claimant.

Knightly_News

And another thing Ubik42:

Earlier you said you're too lazy to scroll back to see who said what. Now you're indicating actual post #'s where you wrote such and such.  So are you lazy and disinterested or not?  Or do you just cherry-pick that mode to suit your position?

Then you said you didn't post anectodal evidence, so I showed where you did, and then you say, but you also cited scientific references.  That's not the same as posting no anecdotal evidence.  

Just keeping you honest.

Knightly_News
TheGrobe wrote:

He doesn't need conclusive proof, the burden of proof is on the claimant.

Exactly!  Now show me the overt claims I made that I have not backed-up.  I worded things carefully and promised nothing.

TheGrobe

I've not followed this thread, I'm simply responding to your call for Ubik42 to supply proof of something's non-existence. It's neither possible to supply such proof, nor appropriate to call for it.

TheGrobe

Stated another way, if someone makes a claim that something exists, when faced with skepticism the onus on them is to supply evidence -- ideally proof -- that their claim is in fact true.

corrijean

Also, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Ubik42
reflectivist wrote:

And another thing Ubik42:

Earlier you said you're too lazy to scroll back to see who said what. Now you're indicating actual post #'s where you wrote such and such.  So are you lazy and disinterested or not?  Or do you just cherry-pick that mode to suit your position?

Then you said you didn't post anectodal evidence, so I showed where you did, and then you say, but you also cited scientific references.  That's not the same as posting no anecdotal evidence.  

Just keeping you honest.

I was too lazy to scroll back a page. You were too lazy to read the previous post, which is what I was referring to when I said I posted scientific studies, not anecdotes.

And of course a fraud like Sylvia does not disprove psychic phenemnon. If there were no relevant studies then it would be meaningless. What is meaningful is that there are no studies showing ESP exists, but plenty of low life scum taking advantage of people in horrible circumstances. These people are exactly who you and others like you are helping to enable by keeping this myth going, instead of examining it critically. And it is one reason why it is an important issue.

Don't help enable these horrible cretins. Expose them for the sham artists, and horrible people, that they actually are.

Ubik42

Who is up for some creative spoon bending?

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Ubik42 wrote:

Who is up for some creative spoon bending?

Dude, this isn't the forum to ask people to spoon with you.

Nice try though.

Ubik42

A midget fortune teller escaped from prison once.

The headline read "Small Medium at Large".

corrijean
trysts wrote:

-UFOs, coincidences, and intuition are real, Mr. Reflectivist

-Hilarious video, corrijean!

Thanks. The Soup is one of the few shows I miss. 

The Wow! Signal

corrijean

Agreed regarding the UFO definition. However, people who believe that UFO's are from outer space (by that I assume you mean from an alien species, since meteor showers are often highly correlated with UFO sightings) aren't idiots.

Trysts is quite smart.

Personally, I think if aliens were to travel here, they'd use self-replicating nano bots instead of space ships. Cool

Ubik42
corrijean wrote:
trysts wrote:

-UFOs, coincidences, and intuition are real, Mr. Reflectivist

-Hilarious video, corrijean!

Thanks. The Soup is one of the few shows I miss. 

The Wow! Signal

Thanks, I knew about this from a couple of science shows but never in this much detail.

TheGrobe

Sending biological agents would certainly require a lot of unnecessary overhead, but even sending automatons over such vast distances is prohibitively costly from an energy standpoint, and that's even assuming you know that there's something of interest on the other end of the trip.

No, we and our ilk are alone in our little corner of the universe and will likely be until our sun wipes us out. The best we can hope for is a very, very slow text message conversation someday.

TheGrobe

Sadly the Wow! signal was a one time, unsustained event. We'll never know what it was, or even if it originated in space.

Ubik42
TheGrobe wrote:

Sending biological agents would certainly require a lot of unnecessary overhead, but even sending automatons over such vast distances is prohibitively costly from an energy standpoint, and that's even assuming you know that there's something of interest on the other end of the trip.

 

No, we and our ilk are alone in our little corner of the universe and will likely be until our sun wipes us out. The best we can hope for is a very, very slow text message conversation someday.

Text message? Well, lets hope they have thumbs!

TheGrobe

Of course they have thumbs. Opposable thumbs are a universal requirement for technological advancement.