The number of reports doesn't impress me, what would impress me is one quality report. And with all the cameras out there, it would seem to be an easier task.
And when people have hobbies like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M6vP8-SbU0 (faking videos) it just raises the bar for what I would consider interesting enough to even give passing attention to, let alone actually believe.
Are you denying the possibility of UFOs (Ubiquitous Functional Occultists)?
The number of reports doesn't impress me, what would impress me is one quality report. And with all the cameras out there, it would seem to be an easier task.
And when people have hobbies like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M6vP8-SbU0 it just raises the bar for what I would consider interesting enough to even give passing attention to, let alone actually believe.
I don't know what you consider to be a "quality report", but the Iranian report from 1976 as mentioned by me previously, has ground witnesses, ground radar, and pilot radar corroborating the event.
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Incredibly, those aliens decided to take interest in a country that various secret agencies watched carefully in those times (the Guardians of the Islamic revolution take the power during the year 1979).
Another mysterious coincidence, another proof that nothing was left at random : this happened when Jupiter was at a maximum intensity in the sky. Probably those flying aircrafts run on Jupiter's rays.
Two plausible stories that explain the observations without aliens... Well, that's enough for me.
I can't rule out aliens either, and it is certainly possible there is life or intelligence of some sort out there, somewhere.
However the whole UFO field is poisoned with true believers who treat any random anecdotal incident as truth, believeing and spreading the most preposterous nonsense matter-of-factly.
We do not have any evidence currently of alien visitiation, and the countless sightings, pictures and videos have been exploded many times over. You can watch the dramatic special-effect laden "re-creations" on the various bad tv shows, but then google for the real story and all the missing facts. It all paints a pretty dishonest picture. Someone is just making money off ratings and selling books.
When they come, and the evidence is irresitible, though, I will be the first to applaud the news, unless of course I have been incinerated by a phaser blast. But wait for the evidence. When its real, its going to be convincing enough, i think. Until then, you can pretty much dismiss all the psychobabble as a time waster.
There's where your skepticism to me seems very much like nothing more than religion, ego and your own subjectivity and bias, and not a geniune search for the truth. You seem far far more attached to your agenda and self-identification as a 'skeptic', than as a seeker of the truth, wherever it may lead.
There is not 'poisoning of the UFO field'. There are either UFOs from aliens or there aren't. It doesn't matter how many people say that they've seen a UFO just because a Tesla EV drove by on their street, or hang out at Area 51 with Agent Mulder dolls.
At this point astrophysicists think that there are something like 500 Billion potentially habitable planets in our galaxy alone, and there are countless billion galaxies. You put that together with the fact that if you fill a test tube with some of the raw ingredients and organic compounds and jolt it with electicity or arcs, it starts to organize itself into the components of life, you really have to keep a very open mind about this and not be so rabid about discounting everything that might lead somewhere just because you don't like the package the data arrived in.
Great scientists like Einstein weren't so harsh and petty. Sure, they wanted proof and asked certain questions, but not with the kind of disdain or hostility or extreme predjudice you show that really seems like some sort of psychological issue - some unresolved anger or potty training issues you haven't worked out. Chill out a little. You can ask questions and remain unconvinced without coming unglued and keep enough of an open mind that you are capable of taking a story someone presents and leaning toward really finding out if it has merit than figuring out how to shut it down and dismiss it just because the whole 'field' has been 'poisoned', according to you.
I saw a UFO once, but I couldn't identify it.
I saw a UFO once, but I couldn't identify it.
We are still trying to verify your report. Sounds dubious.
The number of reports doesn't impress me, what would impress me is one quality report. And with all the cameras out there, it would seem to be an easier task.
And when people have hobbies like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M6vP8-SbU0 it just raises the bar for what I would consider interesting enough to even give passing attention to, let alone actually believe.
I don't know what you consider to be a "quality report", but the Iranian report from 1976 as mentioned by me previously, has ground witnesses, ground radar, and pilot radar corroborating the event.
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Incredibly, those aliens decided to take interest in a country that various secret agencies watched carefully in those times (the Guardians of the Islamic revolution take the power during the year 1979).
Another mysterious coincidence, another proof that nothing was left at random : this happened when Jupiter was at a maximum intensity in the sky. Probably those flying aircrafts run on Jupiter's rays.
Two plausible stories that explain the observations without aliens... Well, that's enough for me.
In 1976, Iran was governed by the American-backed Shah of Iran.
Jupiter sure does some strange things in your world, Irontiger
Neither story explains the event to me, but maybe I'm more skeptical than you are?
Another edit: Maybe I'm misreading you, Irontiger? Maybe you were being sarcastic?
Quoted previously, "Well my only rebuttal is that I'm quite shore all alleged and perceived UFO sightings have really been advanced government weapons and top-secret aircraft, sometimes arranged by intent and motive."
Quoted previously, "Well my only rebuttal is that I'm quite shore all alleged and perceived UFO sightings have really been advanced government weapons and top-secret aircraft, sometimes arranged by intent and motive."
This is what I've been trying to tell you. Chess masters are clones of aliens brought back from other galaxies by our government as secret weapons, who have psychic powers and telekensis.
alien explanation doesn't seem simple enough to be considereded between the first options for explaining the optical aberrations and reflections some people sees in the sky
The number of reports doesn't impress me, what would impress me is one quality report. And with all the cameras out there, it would seem to be an easier task.
And when people have hobbies like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M6vP8-SbU0 it just raises the bar for what I would consider interesting enough to even give passing attention to, let alone actually believe.
I don't know what you consider to be a "quality report", but the Iranian report from 1976 as mentioned by me previously, has ground witnesses, ground radar, and pilot radar corroborating the event.
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Incredibly, those aliens decided to take interest in a country that various secret agencies watched carefully in those times (the Guardians of the Islamic revolution take the power during the year 1979).
Another mysterious coincidence, another proof that nothing was left at random : this happened when Jupiter was at a maximum intensity in the sky. Probably those flying aircrafts run on Jupiter's rays.
Two plausible stories that explain the observations without aliens... Well, that's enough for me.
In 1976, Iran was governed by the American-backed Shah of Iran.
Jupiter sure does some strange things in your world, Irontiger
Neither story explains the event to me, but maybe I'm more skeptical than you are?
Another edit: Maybe I'm misreading you, Irontiger? Maybe you were being sarcastic?
In order to make another edit don't you need first to have done any edit, just thinking loudly, angelina
Well i saw aliens and they were looking for work.
Well i saw aliens and they were looking for work.
They were Spaniards
alien explanation doesn't seem simple enough to be considereded between the first options for explaining the optical aberrations and reflections some people sees in the sky
Why don't you go to an even simpler explanation, pdela, and say that everyone is lying? That way you can get back to concentrating on your favorite topic: yourself
alien explanation doesn't seem simple enough to be considereded between the first options for explaining the optical aberrations and reflections some people sees in the sky
Why don't you go to an even simpler explanation, pdela, and say that everyone is lying? That way you can get back to concentrating on your favorite topic: yourself
Even my mom, who was an atheist and very skeptical of every kind of thing like UFO's, psychic stuff, religion, etc... Told me she saw a UFO doing all kinds of weird inexplicable things in the sky at night when she was driving, near the hills of Calabasas California many many years ago.
And she was nobody's fool. She knew the difference between jets, airliners, prop planes, cars, hot air baloons, etc... This really threw her for a loop. She was observant, and would be the last one anyone would expect to even be open to the possibility of UFOs and would have been set on figuring out a way to discount the experience if she could.
Incredibly, those aliens decided to take interest in a country that various secret agencies watched carefully in those times (the Guardians of the Islamic revolution take the power during the year 1979).
Another mysterious coincidence, another proof that nothing was left at random : this happened when Jupiter was at a maximum intensity in the sky. Probably those flying aircrafts run on Jupiter's rays.
Two plausible stories that explain the observations without aliens... Well, that's enough for me.
In 1976, Iran was governed by the American-backed Shah of Iran.
Jupiter sure does some strange things in your world, Irontiger
Neither story explains the event to me, but maybe I'm more skeptical than you are?
Another edit: Maybe I'm misreading you, Irontiger? Maybe you were being sarcastic?
Half-sarcastic.
1- the shah regime was collapsing at the time (first riots one year after the aliens brainwawed the population - source here).
It wouldn't seem unbelievable to me that the CIA (or anyone else) would want to spy on Teheran or somewhere near where they suspected something, but without asking via the official channels. The real problem in that explanation is that the technology for spy satellites etc. was much less developed at the time than it is now.
2-Neither of my explanations is fully convincing, not even for me.
But the alien theory is even less convincing. I mean, admitting all the reports are true, those aliens have an aircraft that can go as fast as the ones that were sent to him, yet stay stationary when he wants to, that can jam the controls and weaponry at a ~30 miles distance, and vanish after falling in the lake. Oh, and it has shiny lights of different colors on it, so that we can see it from afar. And it can be detected by the radar, sometimes, sometimes not.
...come on.
I do not know what happened. (and frankly, I don't care much.)
The point is, there is no easy explanation at hand, but that does not make the alien theory more plausible than it is, and that's still far behind the conspiracy theory (spying aircraft) or the blunder theory (the pilots mismaneuvered somehow, blinded by the light of natural source, and blamed the UFO to avoid punishment, for instance).
To take a (purposely) trivial parallel : I do not know what exactly causes the sudden change in the properties of water when the temperature goes from slightly more than 0°C to slightly less. This change is completely different of what happens at 1°C or -1°C. Does that make the claim that there is a devil, guardian of the 0°C threshold, who appears in the water at that threshold and modifies its properties, a valid/plausible theory ?
Well i saw aliens and they were looking for work.
They were Spaniards
Ouch!
Well i learned that people that say they know everything about this UFO business know nothing. And for those that do know well they are nowhere to be found. Has bring to mind dead men tell no secrets.
Well i saw aliens and they were looking for work.
They were Spaniards
Ouch!
Well i learned that people that say they know everything about this UFO business know nothing. And for those that do know well they are nowhere to be found. Has bring to mind dead men tell no secrets.
I thought it was
alien explanation doesn't seem simple enough to be considereded between the first options for explaining the optical aberrations and reflections some people sees in the sky
Why don't you go to an even simpler explanation, pdela, and say that everyone is lying? That way you can get back to concentrating on your favorite topic: yourself
I don't understand quite well why you say there are things that are hard to explain and there are many cases of experts alleging & reporting there is no way to explain it, then, if this case concerns an UFO you claim for the existence of a supreme intelligent being called alien, but if that concerns to someone who had recover the vision (miracle!) you deny the existence of any supreme being which have a reminiscence to a god. Your aliens have many reminiscences of what other people would call deities
You can join to some of the UFOlogist religions that there are
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_religion
Of course "UFOs are real" - they are unidentified flying objects, who denies this?
But if you think they are from outer space, you're just an idiot.
I don't know what they are, but I certainly don't rule out aliens. When people see a brilliantly lit, craft-like thing in the sky, report it, the military has the thing on it's radar and sends a jet up to investigate/intercept it, then the pilot's radar also picks it up, then the pilot locks onto the object to shoot it down but all of the sudden the jet's instruments no longer work until the craft-like thing is out of range, then what could it be?
When the U.S. military investigates the phenomenon, and the only conclusion reached is that these things are not a threat, whatever they are, then what are they?
When a formal investigation is done, the military sends a scientist to "debunk" the sightings and encounters. The scientist goes into the investigation quite skeptical, and comes out of the investigation reporting that his job was to make up something where no explanation can be found, and he actually believes that these things could be of alien origin.
Pilots, police, various military personal, small group sightings, large group sightings, people from all over the world have reported extraordinary, flying, craft-like objects in the skies for over half of a century with no reasonable explanation other than something completely alien to them, but to allow for an alien explanation is considered idiotic to you, estragon? Now that is funny. Go ahead and keep your mind locked up for this subject, estragon, since you really have nothing to add.