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DrSpudnik

The big problem is that all that we can say about a UFO is that there was a sighting of something (an Object) in the sky (Flying/Floating?) that we have no idea about (Unidentified). 

The rest is all speculation.

TheGrobe

Unsubstantiated speculation.

TheGrobe

Read more closely please. Not the sightings, the explanations.

TheGrobe

Still vague and ambiguous. Actual evidence please.

Tartarus_BW

Master_Valek = Troll

kd103

not psychic, it's psychology 

waffllemaster
TheGrobe wrote:

Read more closely please. Not the sightings, the explanations.

That's the problem.  It's a sort of rorschach inkblot scenario.  Two people view the same thing but can project different meanings based on their psychology. 

Some believers seem to chastise skeptics by saying that not having an open mind is an intellectual sin.  To that I say it's actually quite the opposite.  The skeptic has a very open mind, but merely preforms the additional task of scrutinizing and comparing all explanations equally.  When supernatural events are dismissed it's not in defense of some naturalistic world view, but because Occam's razor shaves away the comparatively unreasonable explanations.

TheGrobe

While we're sharing reading material, I can't recommend this book enough:

kd103
reflectivist wrote:

Do you personally believe it is within the realm of possibility that there are chess masters who win because of their ability to see into the future or read minds?  And if so, do you think the odds are high or low that such players exist?

And what about telepathy?  If you concentrate on a move that you're worried about your opponent making, do you think it increases the odds of your opponent discovering and playing the move, assuming it might not be too obvious otherwise?

I cannot say if it's possible or not because I haven't experienced their perspective or what they're thinking. I actually think that no one can experience or truly know what others think because they were born and will die in their brain.

So to me, empathy is a form of stronger sympathy but I agree 80% since I don't know about the world and I only do because there's the internet and news and all the people around the world that can talk.

And telepathy? I think it's more psychological. Some players try to sympathize/empathize what their opponents might move subconciously if they're really concentrated on the game. Sometimes they look at their opponent's eyes or the reaction to their move like how fast they do it. But they might not be aware that this psychology is also being applied to them.

kd103

master_valek can you make the longstoryshort :D some people like me don't have the time to read this.

how did it even came to UFOs now lol

Knightly_News
waffllemaster wrote:
TheGrobe wrote:

Read more closely please. Not the sightings, the explanations.

That's the problem.  It's a sort of rorschach inkblot scenario.  Two people view the same thing but can project different meanings based on their psychology. 

Some believers seem to chastise skeptics by saying that not having an open mind is an intellectual sin.  To that I say it's actually quite the opposite.  The skeptic has a very open mind, but merely preforms the additional task of scrutinizing and comparing all explanations equally.  When supernatural events are dismissed it's not in defense of some naturalistic world view, but because Occam's razor shaves away the comparatively unreasonable explanations.

The skeptic has a 'very open mind'?  I'm skeptical about that statement. I think you will find a few that do and many that don't.  I find many just want to confirm their own biases, or serve their own ego by taking safe socially tolerated position, or just troll.  In fact one or two of the self-proclaimed skeptics in this thread have admitted to trolling, when, by either their admitting  it or not, it was clear that they were.  In other words skepticism can be motivate by all kinds of things besides openmindedness.

Irontiger
Master_Valek wrote:

["evidence"]

So, the FBI has investigated about these events. And funded some psychics too, by the way. (a nice thing to read about this is in Tony Corinda's book about mentalism magic, where he explains how he fooled the FBI's ESP tests - but the book is horribly expensive, it is aimed to professional magicians).

UFO-believer's reaction : "that's the proof they came !"

Normal person's reaction : "where did my tax money go ?"

kd103

well, millions is different from billions.

and most of all of the 7 billion people living on this planet want a good and/or successful life instead of thinking on conspiracies.

If there really are UFOs, what's in it to us? :P

TheGrobe
reflectivist wrote:

In fact one or two of the self-proclaimed skeptics in this thread have admitted to trolling, when, by either their admitting  it or not, it was clear that they were.

More ad-hominem....

kd103
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Knightly_News
Irontiger wrote:
Master_Valek wrote:

["evidence"]

So, the FBI has investigated about these events. And funded some psychics too, by the way. (a nice thing to read about this is in Tony Corinda's book about mentalism magic, where he explains how he fooled the FBI's ESP tests - but the book is horribly expensive, it is aimed to professional magicians).

UFO-believer's reaction : "that's the proof they came !"

Normal person's reaction : "where did my tax money go ?"

Normal people are not the brightest, no question about it.

BitNinjax

Maybe in millions and billions of years humans will evolve to have this kind of ability, but for now the chances of this are extremely unlikely.

ivandh
Master_Valek a écrit :
reflectivist wrote:
Irontiger wrote:
Master_Valek wrote:

["evidence"]

So, the FBI has investigated about these events. And funded some psychics too, by the way. (a nice thing to read about this is in Tony Corinda's book about mentalism magic, where he explains how he fooled the FBI's ESP tests - but the book is horribly expensive, it is aimed to professional magicians).

UFO-believer's reaction : "that's the proof they came !"

Normal person's reaction : "where did my tax money go ?"

Normal people are not the brightest, no question about it.

Seconded.

We certainly have a couple of examples of that right here.

kd103

well the fact that movies are released about aliens, what's the point of the USA government hiding evidences on UFOs -_-

some people think too much about aliens that they forgot about the constant problems of the world that needs solving. think of world unity first and make the government spend money on other people instead of war machines.

waffllemaster

When I was a kid my parents had some friends over and were playing a parlor game, they let me join in.  Essentially the game was to take a dictionary word no one knew the definition of and each player fabricates as plausible a definition as they can.  The real and fabricated definitions are then read aloud and you get a point for every person you fooled with yours.

Anyway... the point is as a kid trying to come up with a believable definition for an unknown word my definition started out... "A top secret..." and immediately people were chuckling.  As a kid I didn't make the connection.  Not saying this is exactly what's happening in these alien proof things, but I always think back to that time and chuckle to myself.  Of course I should have done what these UFO guys do... "A now declassified top secret" or "A once available, but now top secret..."