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shine5

when i was playing a 5 min blitz game today both players had equal material. i had 2 minutes left and when my opponent had only 20 seconds left he offered me a draw and i refused, because he didnt do it early. is it unfair?

Wilkes1949

You are asking if it is unfair to play by the rules of chess on this site? I don't think you need anyone to answer that question. If the object in the game is to win and you have played by the rules then you are not being unfair. So did you win the game?

shine5

yes. i won on time.

Scottrf

He's allowed to offer it, and you're allowed to refuse it.

kleelof

I'm sure he's posted a thread going on about how people are unfair by not accepting a draw offer.Laughing

Scottrf
kleelof wrote:

I'm sure he's posted a thread going on about how people are unfair by not accepting a draw offer.

As I was thinking.

'My opponent was only trying to win on time in a drawn position. How unfair'.

shine5

tigerprowl6 wrote:

If you want to get better, don't worry about winning.  Look at the position.  You should have lost this game.

 



Yes. I am learning from my mistakes.

shine5

tigerprowl6 wrote:

If you want to get better, don't worry about winning.  Look at the position.  You should have lost this game.

 



@tigerprowl - i could have played 22.Rfd1 instead of 22.Rfc1 and win a bishop or knight.

JamieKowalski

If a player doesn't guard his time as wisely as you do, then go ahead and refuse the draw.

The only time I will accept a draw is if I know it is a complete and hopeless draw (opposite colored bishops with locked pawns). It just seems cheap to randomly move your bishops around for another minute or so just for the point. 

blitzjoker
JamieKowalski wrote:

If a player doesn't guard his time as wisely as you do, then go ahead and refuse the draw.

The only time I will accept a draw is if I know it is a complete and hopeless draw (opposite colored bishops with locked pawns). It just seems cheap to randomly move your bishops around for another minute or so just for the point. 

Yes I've been in that ridiculous situation. My experience though is most people will play on for the point if they have a time advantage and a good connection.

Scottrf
blitzjoker wrote:
JamieKowalski wrote:

If a player doesn't guard his time as wisely as you do, then go ahead and refuse the draw.

The only time I will accept a draw is if I know it is a complete and hopeless draw (opposite colored bishops with locked pawns). It just seems cheap to randomly move your bishops around for another minute or so just for the point. 

Yes I've been in that ridiculous situation. My experience though is most people will play on for the point if they have a time advantage and a good connection.

I've had someone play a K&R vs K&R in a game with 5 second increment. I was embarassed for him.

JamieKowalski
Scottrf wrote:

I've had someone play a K&R vs K&R in a game with 5 second increment. I was embarassed for him.

Doing it with an increment is bafflingly stupid.

TheOldReb
Scottrf wrote:
blitzjoker wrote:
JamieKowalski wrote:

If a player doesn't guard his time as wisely as you do, then go ahead and refuse the draw.

The only time I will accept a draw is if I know it is a complete and hopeless draw (opposite colored bishops with locked pawns). It just seems cheap to randomly move your bishops around for another minute or so just for the point. 

Yes I've been in that ridiculous situation. My experience though is most people will play on for the point if they have a time advantage and a good connection.

I've had someone play a K&R vs K&R in a game with 5 second increment. I was embarassed for him.

Was it a 5 sec increment or 5 sec delay ?  

Scottrf

Increment. I was actually gaining time...

Garrett84

This is the most stupendous non issue i have read on this site. The reason blitz is played with a clock is to add the variable that a player can win on time. I don't play blitz personally, but i imagine a large percentage of games are won/lost on time.

TheOldReb

Couldnt you just call the arbiter over and have him declare the game drawn ?  Usually , they will observe such games for a bit and if neither player is making any progress ( which is almost always in such endings ) they will declare the game drawn . 

TheOldReb
Garrett84 wrote:

This is the most stupendous non issue i have read on this site. The reason blitz is played with a clock is to add the variable that a player can win on time. I don't play blitz personally, but i imagine a large percentage of games are won/lost on time.

So if someone runs out of time in a K v K ending or K+N  v K ending they should lose ?   Even in blitz there are situations in which you cannot win on time ... like the 2 above and others ... 

Scottrf
Reb wrote:

Couldnt you just call the arbiter over and have him declare the game drawn ?  Usually , they will observe such games for a bit and if neither player is making any progress ( which is almost always in such endings ) they will declare the game drawn . 

Was in a game on here.

TheOldReb

Oh , ok . 

eques_99

What you seem to be asking is, should you accept a draw offered by any player who is losing?  How would anyone ever lose if that was the standard practice??

If anything he was being unfair (or at least unsporting) by offering a draw as a last ditch attempt to avoid losing.  Personally I hate it when some little squirt does that.