Really interesting point of view, I definitely agree with you but don't have much to contribute. Btw, your writing skills are good, maybe you could have written this as an article for chess.com
Is JannLee a Big Fish in a Small Pool?
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Dec 30, 2016
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Well yeah, I think it's pretty obvious.
Professionals are familiar with TONS of attacking patterns and ideas. If they took crazyhouse seriously, they'd be at the top.
That said, I don't know how good JanLee is at classical. If this person is young and already a decent GM in classical chess then he/she may be among the best even if pros started taking crazyhouse seriously. The reasoning here is, not everyone is good at everything. The games are very similar, but different enough that we can't say for sure that Carlsen would necessarily be a better crazyhosue player than Aronian, So, Anand, etc.
Dec 30, 2016
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eaguiraud wrote:
Really interesting point of view, I definitely agree with you but don't have much to contribute. Btw, your writing skills are good, maybe you could have written this as an article for chess.com
Thanks man, I really appreciate it.
Dec 30, 2016
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Telestu wrote:
Well yeah, I think it's pretty obvious.
Professionals are familiar with TONS of attacking patterns and ideas. If they took crazyhouse seriously, they'd be at the top.
That said, I don't know how good JanLee is at classical. If this person is young and already a decent GM in classical chess then he/she may be among the best even if pros started taking crazyhouse seriously. The reasoning here is, no everyone is good at everything. The games are very similar, but different enough that we can't say for sure that Carlsen would necessarily be a better crazyhosue player than Aronian, So, Anand, etc.
He is untitled with a peak rating of 2250 in classical chess. And I'm pretty sure he's over 25.
Dec 30, 2016
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2250 is a totally different world from professional players, so no, not even close if a top 10 player took it seriously.
umm, yasser seirawan who is about 2600 plays it seriously enough and he gives JannLee a challenge but Jann has a record of like 60-40, so yeah if a top player took it seriously they could probably get the edge, just about though
Feb 3, 2018
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if you use chess pieces for subuteo, it doesn't stand to reason that chess GMs will be the top subuteo players if they took it more seriously, just if they took it more seriously than the current cream of subuteo sharks.
Feb 26, 2018
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CarlosCalixto1996 wrote:
umm, yasser seirawan who is about 2600 plays it seriously enough and he gives JannLee a challenge but Jann has a record of like 60-40, so yeah if a top player took it seriously they could probably get the edge, just about though
Yasser seirawan is close to 60 years old. If he can score so well against Jan Lee, then well, I think this case is resolved.
Right now JanLee is the undisputed world number one in Crazyhouse.
But will that remain the same if (in a hypothetical world) super GMs like Carslen, Karjakin took up Crazyhouse seriously and started to work at it as much as they do in classical chess right now?
I'm pretty sure the super GMs and pretty much any GM for that matter will dominate JanLee. Here are the 3 arguments I put forth in this regard.
Currently GMs only take Crazyhouse as a hobby or a time pass -
This is obvious, if you are a GM, your primary concern will be classical chess. You will spend hours and hours together preparing lines for tournaments, so much so that you will hardly get any time for crazyhouse. On the other hand, JanLee spends all his time studying and playing Crazyhouse.
In the recent Crazyhouse Championships held in Chess.com, we saw 2 GMs finish in the top 10. If these GMs can make it to the top 10 of a crazyhouse championship with the strongest player pool ever by just playing it ocassionally, imagine what would happen if they started taking it seriously. And imagine what would happen if super GMs took it seriously.
At the core, it is still a chess position -
When you look at a crazyhouse position, it is still a chess position with the same piece movement rules. The only thing that is different here is that the pieces that were captured come back into the game. But you are still evaluating a chess position. And who is better at evaluating a chess position, who is better at seeing tactical opportunities in a position, who is better able to calculate deeper? Carlsen or JanLee? Of course it is Carlsen or any super GM for that matter. Because of their superior vision of the board, they will perform much better. This argument will be further supported by the next argument.
Rise of Stockfish -
Up until recently, the strongest crazyhouse engine was Sunsetter. But someone tweaked the code of Stockfish and taught it to play crazyhouse and suddenly Stockfish was seen to play exponentially better than Sunsetter.
Why do you think this happened? The reason for this is in Stockfish's evaluation function. It analyses a chess position better than Sunsetter can ever imagine. And because it does this so well and because a crazyhouse position is nothing but a chess position, these skills of Stockfish translate to crazyhouse as well and that's why it plays so well. In a recent match, it even annihilated JanLee himself.
The same thing applies to humans as well. Carlsen's evaluation function is much much better than JanLee's and with this superior evaluation function, there is no doubt that Carlsen or any other super GM will dominate this game.
What do you guys think? This is open for debate.