Is Kasparov a simul chicken?

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trigs

i do find it kind of strange that he has this ratings limit on his simuls. granted it is his choice, but who cares if he loses on occasion now? everyone knows he was one of the best if not the best ever. and everyone now knows he's getting older and not in his prime anymore.

this ratings limit seems more like a protection of his ego than anything. honestly, what is the point of it other than to just beat up the games quickly so he can get paid and leave? no one who is defending his actions have given a good reason as to why he would want to do this. (actually, no one has even attempted to do so).

i still think he's the best though, don't get me wrong. i just don't understand his reasoning.

Marcelo77
gbidari wrote:

He was very brave in the past I agree. But yesterday's bravery doesn't change today's cowardice. Now Big K is looking less fearless these days since if you're even a remote threat in a simul he won't play you. Does any other GM do this? Come on, I'm a fan too but let's call it what it is.


 Are you sure?

gbidari

Yeah I'm sure. Would I be this annoyed if I wasn't? Just because I don't applaud everything he does doesn't mean I don't have a lot of respect for him. An all or nothing mentality isn't a good thing. If you can't criticize something about someone you like aren't you then a prisoner of your own prejudice? That's where truth gets buried and b.s. gets perpetuated. I've had enough of the flag waving black and white mentality. We haven't lost the ability to distinguish have we? Let's call things as they are.

Marcelo77

I wouldn't care.

FoxLisk

he's probably limiting the ratings so that he doesn't have to do any work to win. people want him to win his simuls, and he doesn't want to think very hard about it (because he's RETIRED). so why would he play good players?

It's possible it's a cheesy money-grabbing opportunity, but it's also possible that people invite him to perform simuls and he just doesn't want to do them against anyone he'll have to work against. It's not cowardice. He has no obligation to keep playing chess, or to play against anyone he doesn't want to.

trigs
FoxLisk wrote:

he's probably limiting the ratings so that he doesn't have to do any work to win. people want him to win his simuls, and he doesn't want to think very hard about it (because he's RETIRED). so why would he play good players?

It's possible it's a cheesy money-grabbing opportunity, but it's also possible that people invite him to perform simuls and he just doesn't want to do them against anyone he'll have to work against. It's not cowardice. He has no obligation to keep playing chess, or to play against anyone he doesn't want to.


yeah, so it's just an ego thing then. that's less than admirable i must say, if that really is the case.

Kingwraith

In my reading of Kasparov's website and about simuls he has done it appears to me that for Kasparov the simul is primarily a PR event, having nothing to do with bragging rights, etc.  There is a whole schedule for before and after the actual playing and the whole thing is intended to be concluded within a certain timeframe.  His website says that simuls are not intended to be serious competitive chess.  I guess 2000 is the rating ceiling he has decided on where he can provide 24 entertaining games that will end within the timeframe of the event.  I don't think Kasparov is afraid of anybody.

gbidari
Kingwraith wrote:

In my reading of Kasparov's website and about simuls he has done it appears to me that for Kasparov the simul is primarily a PR event, having nothing to do with bragging rights, etc.  There is a whole schedule for before and after the actual playing and the whole thing is intended to be concluded within a certain timeframe.  His website says that simuls are not intended to be serious competitive chess.  I guess 2000 is the rating ceiling he has decided on where he can provide 24 entertaining games that will end within the timeframe of the event.  I don't think Kasparov is afraid of anybody.


The best argument yet!

trigs
Kingwraith wrote:

In my reading of Kasparov's website and about simuls he has done it appears to me that for Kasparov the simul is primarily a PR event, having nothing to do with bragging rights, etc.  There is a whole schedule for before and after the actual playing and the whole thing is intended to be concluded within a certain timeframe.  His website says that simuls are not intended to be serious competitive chess.  I guess 2000 is the rating ceiling he has decided on where he can provide 24 entertaining games that will end within the timeframe of the event.  I don't think Kasparov is afraid of anybody.


okay, then it's just to make a quick buck then.

in any case, it seems to be for ego or money. make your own judgments (and those who haven't sinned can cast the first stone).

orangehonda
trigs wrote:
Kingwraith wrote:

In my reading of Kasparov's website and about simuls he has done it appears to me that for Kasparov the simul is primarily a PR event, having nothing to do with bragging rights, etc.  There is a whole schedule for before and after the actual playing and the whole thing is intended to be concluded within a certain timeframe.  His website says that simuls are not intended to be serious competitive chess.  I guess 2000 is the rating ceiling he has decided on where he can provide 24 entertaining games that will end within the timeframe of the event.  I don't think Kasparov is afraid of anybody.


okay, then it's just to make a quick buck then.

in any case, it seems to be for ego or money. make your own judgments (and those who haven't sinned can cast the first stone).


That a funny thing to say coming from someone who's been denouncing him as a coward-crook with an ego Laughing

Kingwraith
trigs wrote:
Kingwraith wrote:

In my reading of Kasparov's website and about simuls he has done it appears to me that for Kasparov the simul is primarily a PR event, having nothing to do with bragging rights, etc.  There is a whole schedule for before and after the actual playing and the whole thing is intended to be concluded within a certain timeframe.  His website says that simuls are not intended to be serious competitive chess.  I guess 2000 is the rating ceiling he has decided on where he can provide 24 entertaining games that will end within the timeframe of the event.  I don't think Kasparov is afraid of anybody.


okay, then it's just to make a quick buck then.

in any case, it seems to be for ego or money. make your own judgments (and those who haven't sinned can cast the first stone).


What other motivation would there be for Kasparov to play in a simul anyway?  I don't really think he has anything left to prove to anyone, much less to himself.  He is trying to sell his books so that he can make a living.  And there's nothing wrong with that IMO.

trigs
orangehonda wrote:
trigs wrote:
Kingwraith wrote:

In my reading of Kasparov's website and about simuls he has done it appears to me that for Kasparov the simul is primarily a PR event, having nothing to do with bragging rights, etc.  There is a whole schedule for before and after the actual playing and the whole thing is intended to be concluded within a certain timeframe.  His website says that simuls are not intended to be serious competitive chess.  I guess 2000 is the rating ceiling he has decided on where he can provide 24 entertaining games that will end within the timeframe of the event.  I don't think Kasparov is afraid of anybody.


okay, then it's just to make a quick buck then.

in any case, it seems to be for ego or money. make your own judgments (and those who haven't sinned can cast the first stone).


That a funny thing to say coming from someone who's been denouncing him as a coward-crook with an ego


excuse me? when exactly did i say that?

wow, talk about an assumption.

trigs
Kingwraith wrote:
trigs wrote:
Kingwraith wrote:

In my reading of Kasparov's website and about simuls he has done it appears to me that for Kasparov the simul is primarily a PR event, having nothing to do with bragging rights, etc.  There is a whole schedule for before and after the actual playing and the whole thing is intended to be concluded within a certain timeframe.  His website says that simuls are not intended to be serious competitive chess.  I guess 2000 is the rating ceiling he has decided on where he can provide 24 entertaining games that will end within the timeframe of the event.  I don't think Kasparov is afraid of anybody.


okay, then it's just to make a quick buck then.

in any case, it seems to be for ego or money. make your own judgments (and those who haven't sinned can cast the first stone).


What other motivation would there be for Kasparov to play in a simul anyway?  I don't really think he has anything left to prove to anyone, much less to himself.  He is trying to sell his books so that he can make a living.  And there's nothing wrong with that IMO.


i never said there was anything wrong with it. i just was discussing why he was doing it. man you people sure jump to a lot of conclusions.

orangehonda
trigs wrote:
orangehonda wrote:
trigs wrote:
Kingwraith wrote:

In my reading of Kasparov's website and about simuls he has done it appears to me that for Kasparov the simul is primarily a PR event, having nothing to do with bragging rights, etc.  There is a whole schedule for before and after the actual playing and the whole thing is intended to be concluded within a certain timeframe.  His website says that simuls are not intended to be serious competitive chess.  I guess 2000 is the rating ceiling he has decided on where he can provide 24 entertaining games that will end within the timeframe of the event.  I don't think Kasparov is afraid of anybody.


okay, then it's just to make a quick buck then.

in any case, it seems to be for ego or money. make your own judgments (and those who haven't sinned can cast the first stone).


That a funny thing to say coming from someone who's been denouncing him as a coward-crook with an ego


excuse me? when exactly did i say that?

wow, talk about an assumption.


Ok, so I hammed it up a bit... not a direct quote.  It was just funny that you would make your own judgements saying "seems to be for ego or money" and then right under give the casting stones quote Smile

trigs


Ok, so I hammed it up a bit... not a direct quote.  It was just funny that you would make your own judgements saying "seems to be for ego or money" and then right under give the casting stones quote


well the reason i said "it seems to be for ego or money" is because those are the reasons people gave as his possible reasons. i already did offer my guess that it could be ego reasons, but i never made any judgments one way or the other about it.

Kingwraith

And let's not forget that just a few posts above you said, "yeah, so it's just an ego thing then. that's less than admirable i must say, if that really is the case."  Kind of makes your later statement ("i never said there was anything wrong with it. i just was discussing why he was doing it. man you people sure jump to a lot of conclusions.") a little bit disingenuous....

gbidari

I'm not sure if I'm sold on the time schedule argument. After all, simul etiquette dictates you have to move immediately when he comes to your board and experienced players resign when they're lost while amateurs often play on when dead lost many times even to checkmate, meaning he has to make a lot more moves. So, I'm not convinced he wouldn't finish in a timely manner with some experienced players there. Verdict: Chicken!

trigs
Kingwraith wrote:

And let's not forget that just a few posts above you said, "yeah, so it's just an ego thing then. that's less than admirable i must say, if that really is the case."  Kind of makes your later statement ("i never said there was anything wrong with it. i just was discussing why he was doing it. man you people sure jump to a lot of conclusions.") a little bit disingenuous....


yeah, you're right i did say that.

well, i was just trying to discuss his reasoning, but i guess i let my judgments fall through. i apologize to those kasparov lovers. he's still the best in my opinion, despite this simul ratings debate/issue.

Kingwraith

Yes I suppose expert players would be more likely to resign a lost position than amateur players.  I'm curious about other GMs and what kind of rating stipulations they put on their PR simuls.  I haven't been able to find any actual proof, but various discussions of simuls on the internet have seemed to imply that the 1999 limit is standard for GMs.

orangehonda
trigs wrote:
well the reason i said "it seems to be for ego or money" is because those are the reasons people gave as his possible reasons. i already did offer my guess that it could be ego reasons, but i never made any judgments one way or the other about it.

Guessing it's ego is a judgement.  Not like in a court of law, but a judgement as in a discrimination.

Edit -- never mind, you guys got to this already.