Is Saying "GG" at the End of a Game a Sign of Victor's Mercy

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BigHickory
bbracken wrote:

I agree....

We can take offense at almost any comment...why not just accept at face value and move on?

I almost always add a "good game" at the end of a game, whether I win or lose. Nothing is meant by it other than I enjoyed the game and it was worth playing.


I love playing chess, win or lose.   If my opponent wins due to being better than me, that's great!  Hopefully it will help me to improve my game.  Losing only bothers me is when it happens due to a very stupid blunder on my part.   I would never feel bad about someone defeating me, after all, that is what I hoped to do to them!  I am only offended when an opponent acts rude, uses profanity, or makes other inappropriate comments.   IMO, chess is a gentlemen's sport and players should be polite to one another.  In the online community, "gg" is a substitution for the traditional after game handshake in OTB games.

Venolia808

I agree and do the same, usaually GG thanks.

templar57

Wow, a lot of analysis here. When I post gg it either means, you played well; or, thanks for game, I enjoyed it. And I post it whether Im the winner or not. Just when I feel like it

renumeratedfrog01

You people are naive morons if you cannot appreciate the nuances of human psychology... But hey, thanks for participating! Smile

Metastable
renumeratedfrog01 wrote:

You people are naive morons if you cannot appreciate the nuances of human psychology... But hey, thanks for participating!


LOL you hit the nail on the head - one of the nuances of my own psychology, which I suspect is certainly shared with many others,  is that I *love* having words like "naive moron"  flung in my general direction.

Phelon

The fact is, not saying anything is rude, exchanging gg's (handshakes as well OTB) is the way to put the game behind you and show appreciation to your opponent and chess.

syafiqazizi

 Y U NO PLAY BETTER?!

 

(we suppose to say this..instead of 'GG'.)

raider53

I always say "gg" win, lose or draw; it's good sportsmanship.

TheCabal
@FirebrandX If a kid says GG... would you, as an adult, instantly feel offended? "Rude" is too much said about "GG".... Regarding the chat: I'm ok with anti-socials turning off chat ;) In all my few games I always had a nice chat while playing and it makes fun. Without chat (or let's say community)... I could just buy a chess engine, make my room completely dark disconnecting myself from the outside and just play for myself thinking, no one is worth talking to me.
HalfClosed

When I started playing online I wondered what "gg" was. Undecided Then I typed it because most people did. Cool  Later when some people got offended by it Yell I switched to <handshake>.  This didn't seem to offend anyone.  Innocent  Now, I usually don't chat at all Sealed.   

_IronButterfly_

lol  good comment  ;/ Why make a big deal about common courtesy.  The following may be a list that could be substituted, however:

1.  I hate loosing...*sob sob

2.  I think you are cheating!! 

3.  Man, I need some peace to play ..could you shut up?!

4. Fat chance you are really that rating...try adding another 200 pts to u rating! 

5. haha!  Learn how to play u idiot!!   (that is if you are the winner)

6.  I think I'll quit playing chess!  boooo hoooo  (if you are the loser)

Okay...get the point?  IT's just a suck up time to either leave gracefully and politely if loosing, or being nice if winning.  Don't need FReud to figure this out.

Regards, you humble fellow chess player...

TheCabal
I will soon transform to HULK when I see another inet-kiddy "term" like troll!
_IronButterfly_
TheCabal wrote:
I will soon transform to HULK when I see another inet-kiddy "term" like troll!

Troll!  Be my guess.....  :)

deeMannn

I say gg(good game) if I won and the match was well played through out.  I also say gg if I lose and the match was played like wise.  I have no problem giving sort of a pat on the back on the either way.

MSC157

Or just "shaking hands": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLg394V8SPs&feature=g-upl&context=G2ddac9bAUAAAAAAAAAA 

blake78613

Shaking hands is similar.  It is a breach of etiquette for the winner to extend his hand first.  In OTB play, however, you have visual feedback and it is easier to see that no insult is intended.  After winning a game OTB,  I have offered my hand first; but it was not done instantly (I waited about 15 seconds) and I judged by eye contact and body language that no offense would be taken.  There are times after a tough defeat, that the loser just wants to be left alone; and I respect that.

Kingpatzer
FirebrandX wrote:
Kingpatzer wrote:
bbracken wrote:

Why ask the question? Probably because someone took it as such...

Well, yes. But why did they take it that way? That's the part I don't get. I can't relate to taking "gg" as an insult, or thinking that someone refusing a rematch is a coward, or any of the other responses seen around here that assign such personal insults to other people's innocuous actions. 

Since I can't relate to those responses, I can't understand why they took it that way. Hence my confusion. 

Why do some people take offense at perfectly harmless, even mindless activities?


What scares me about you is how you completely and utterly fail to understand situational aspects of human nature. It's like you're coming off as 'Data' from Star Trek, trying desperately understand what it means to have human emotion, empathy, and the ability to spot disingenuous behavior. Our human experiences cannot be approached and evaluated from a superficial perspective as you have consistently shown to prefer.

See, this is a perfect example. You've choosen not to respond to my honest question, but rather to attempt to marginalize me for asking it. Why do that? It is neither necessary nor productive. 

Like it or not, you MUST take into account the situation at hand. As we grow and stock up experiences in dealing with other humans, we gain the ability to accurately determine when a person is being honest or disingenuous.  You, on the other hand, feel is it a severe psychological fault to even attempt to do that. It is this belief that scares me about people like you. You're either completely gullable or an emotionless sociopath.

The point is that this is a game. Even if someone is being disingenuous over their parting comment in a 5 minute chess game, why care?! What possible meaningful impact does it have upon you or your life? Moreover, why choose to insult me for pointing out that one's emotional energies can be spent on more meaningful concerns? 

Now the question is: Is saying GG after a game by itself rude or insulting? Of course not. So why is there even a thread about it? Because there are situations where it in fact does become rude or insulting. As a human, you can determine for yourself when that comes about. For me, it's when somebody says it while the game is still active and not yet over, but your opponent says it anyway while you're still judging the position on the board. Am I somehow less of a human being than you because I evaluated the saying as being disingenuous of my opponent in this manner? According to you, I absolutely would be.

Again, you're seeing personal insults in an honest question. Do my questions threaten you that you need to attack me? 

Emotionally stable adult human beings have the capacity to choose to react or not to the harmless, mindless behavior of others. My question is what benefit does it bring someone to get upset about what happens over a chess game. I personally see no benefit to the individual getting upset. So why do it? 

Do folks think that they play better to be caught up in some perceived insult? Do they get pleasure out of self-righteous indignation over perceived slights? 

 

It's just like in the other thread about rematch refusals. I pointed out there are club OTB situations where refusing a rematch after a lucky win in a lost position will earn you a negative reputation. You then insulted me by claiming I'm severely character-flawed because I assign cowardice in such motivations. In reality, one need merely look at the situation to reach a logical conclusion:

No, I pointed out that assigning motivation to other's actions without warrant in order to perceive a slight is a character flaw. And it is. I did not insult you as I do not know that you do in fact assign motivations to other's actions with such flippancy. Though with this response of yours and your private message I'm certainly beginning to suspect that your intent is to prove to everyone the content of your character. 

"Bob" goes to a local chess club. He plays "John" and started getting into a bad postion. During the time scamble at the end, "John" is unable to deliver checkmate in time and loses. "Bob" then refuses a rematch and instead goes over to play somebody else. Later on when "Bob" does lose a game, he is more than willing to play a rematch. "Bob" continues this policy until pretty soon nobody at the club will offer him a game any more. Conclusion: Bob's cowardly behavior is offputting by other members of the club and it costs him.

*Chuckle* Of course you seem to believe that a rematch is somehow owed to you. Why? And why not recognize that "Bob" might simply not have an interest in playing people that he realizes he can't give a good game to? 

There are people at my club I won't play repeatedly. Why? Because they can beat me without even looking at the board. I'm not competition for them, and you know what -- they know that too! They'll be nice enough to play a game with me whenever I ask because they know I won't try to hog their attention and I'll be considerate enough to let them play people more their level after they beat me severely and I can then spend some time trying to learn from the experience.  

Further, there are people I can beat without much effort as well. I'm more than willing to play a game with them and analyze it afterwards, but I don't have much interest in playing them repeatedly. Again, it's not much of a challenge for me, and I'm not at the club to be someone's sparring partner without benefit to me -- I'm there to have fun. And the mostly know and respect that in the same way I respect the folks who are above me in strength. 

And then there are the folks right in my rating range, we tend to play each other a lot. 

And all of this happens without anyone assigning "cowardice" to anyone else. There's no need for it. 

Frankly, I've never met the "Bob" in your example. Rather, I've met other folks who enjoy chess and other people enough to become members of a club. 

Now according to you, I'm 'severely character flawed' in reaching that conclusion. Is any of this sinking in now, or are you still 'Data' from Star Trek?

Checkmate again by the way.

 I don't know about severely character flawed, but you certainly seem to be spending an amazing amount of emotional energy in judging others, and then being upset about the content of your judgement. And honestly, i have no idea how you can get through life like that. 


poet_d

I'd just say that a lot of chess players simply need to grow up.

 

 

But then I realised that we all spend our time obsessing over a bloody board game, so fat chance.

 

GG @ all.   Tongue out

_IronButterfly_
poet666 wrote:

I'd just say that a lot of chess players simply need to grow up.

 

 

But then I realised that we all spend our time obsessing over a bloody board game, so fat chance.

 

GG @ all.  


lol! Well put, poet.  You are a wise soul.  :)