if stalemate is a draw
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Imagine if someone was losing and they let their time run out. Boom. Draw.
8 hrs ago
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havit655bt wrote:
if stalemate is a draw, because there is no check and there is nothing to do..
then a timeout should also be a draw, since there is no check and again, there is nothing else to do..
#amiwrong
Games have the clock and material/mate.
In the case of running out of time, mate is still a possibility, and there are legal moves, as long as the player with time has sufficient material to mate.
Stalemate is a condition where one player is on the move, had no legal moves, and are not in check.
They are very different conditions.
8 hrs ago
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#5
Excellent advice! Now everyone I get a bad or losing position in a tournament, I'm just gonna quit moving, let my time run out and claim a draw. I will never lose another game is chess!
8 hrs ago
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#6
My apologies for the misspellings. The app doesn't allow you to edit.
5 hrs ago
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#7
LieutenantFrankColumbo yazdı:
Excellent advice! Now everyone I get a bad or losing position in a tournament, I'm just gonna quit moving, let my time run out and claim a draw. I will never lose another game is chess!
not an advice, i compared two things to point out the similarities..
if one is draw then both should be a draw, if one is lose both should be a lose.. in this case stalemate should be a loss.. for the side who can't move.
5 hrs ago
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#8
havit655bt wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo yazdı:
Excellent advice! Now everyone I get a bad or losing position in a tournament, I'm just gonna quit moving, let my time run out and claim a draw. I will never lose another game is chess!
not an advice, i compared two things to point out the similarities..
if one is draw then both should be a draw, if one is lose both should be a lose.. in this case stalemate should be a loss.. for the side who can't move.
It forces the other person to think more carefully before moving
5 hrs ago
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#9
Instead of outlawing stalemate, why don't we just outlaw "not paying attention"?
5 hrs ago
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#10
Stalemates are the Monty Python of chess. Just like those sketches, some are sort of Okay, but most are just hilarious. Please keep them in.
5 hrs ago
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#11
there are a few conditions which end up in a draw;
- threefold repetation
- 50 moves with no capture or pawn movement
- you run out of moves but you are not in check (stalemate)
- you run out of time but opponent has insufficient material to perform a checkmate (still may not be in check)
I agree with 1 & 2 because; there is no progress towards a checkmate or any kind of ending scenario, both armies couldn't defeat eachother, it's a draw. True meaning of stalemate in real life.
I can agree with 4 because; opposing forces are greater but still insufficient to end it. it's a draw.
But not with 3.. because; You run out of moves but opponent has enough power to end it. It's your turn yet you can't just do anything. You already lost. In the next turn enemy will finish you.
5 hrs ago
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#12
havit655bt wrote:
there are a few conditions which end up in a draw;
- threefold repetation
- 50 moves with no capture or pawn movement
- you run out of moves but you are not in check (stalemate)
- you run out of time but opponent has insufficient material to perform a checkmate (still may not be in check)
I agree with 1 & 2 because; there is no progress towards a checkmate or any kind of ending scenario, both armies couldn't defeat eachother, it's a draw. True meaning of stalemate in real life.
I can agree with 4 because; opposing forces are greater but still insufficient to end it. it's a draw.
But not with 3.. because; You run out of moves but opponent has enough power to end it. It's your turn yet you can't just do anything. You already lost. In the next turn enemy will finish you.
Are you also campaigning to remove the off-side rule from football (soccer)?
If not, why not? Seems like an identical situation.
4 hrs ago
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#14
off-side is a rule with a solid logic behind. It simply prevents opposing players to wait in your goal area. If we talk in a war analogy, any minor enemy forces behind defence lines can be eliminated
- But before going any further in off-topic, please refute the idea#3 first.
4 hrs ago
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#15
havit655bt wrote:
LieutenantFrankColumbo yazdı:
Excellent advice! Now everyone I get a bad or losing position in a tournament, I'm just gonna quit moving, let my time run out and claim a draw. I will never lose another game is chess!
not an advice, i compared two things to point out the similarities..
if one is draw then both should be a draw, if one is lose both should be a lose.. in this case stalemate should be a loss.. for the side who can't move.
noted, next time i play against hikaru i'm gonna stall my time out and then i can confidently say i played hikaru and drew
4 hrs ago
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#16
havit655bt wrote:
then timeout is ok.. a loss, but not stelamate should be a draw.
why so
It's a basic rule of chess that you have to move in turn. So when it's stalemate that means neither player can move. So it's a draw.
3 hrs ago
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#19
blueemu wrote:
Instead of outlawing stalemate, why don't we just outlaw "not paying attention"?
HUH?
2 hrs ago
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#20
havit655bt wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalemate#History_of_the_stalemate_rule
Periodically, writers have argued that stalemate should again be made a win for the side causing the stalemate, on the grounds that the goal of chess is conceptually to capture the king and checkmate merely ends it when this is inevitable. Grandmaster Larry Kaufman writes, "In my view, calling stalemate a draw is totally illogical, since it represents the ultimate zugzwang, where any move would get your king taken".
Oh, it is just so not true. See the post #13. Black is stalemated, but its King is in no danger of being captured or checkmated.
if stalemate is a draw, because there is no check and there is nothing to do..
then a timeout should also be a draw, since there is no check and again, there is nothing else to do..
#amiwrong