Is The London Hindering My Progression

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TheGreenWombatsTrash
So I play a lot of london openings with white and go for scandi with black or a londonish setup if they don't play e4. I've been hearing that the london is something like "too stable to teach good tactics and variability" or too common so easy to counter. I'm thinking about finally hunkering down and learning some real theory to push past this point. should I learn more of the london or might something else help with improving through the 1200-1500 range and hopefully beyond
TimelessVirtues

So here's what I recommend. Don't listen to what others say about which opening to play. Every play has a different style. If you're liking the London, then go at it! Even grandmasters occasionally play the London from time to time. I suggest learning more endgames or strategy in the middlegames. to get past the 1200-1500 range. My main question is: Do you know proper London theory or only like the setup?

TheGreenWombatsTrash

So I know a little bit but it's only like 3 or 4 moves to the main counters like I know enough I can transpose to a queens gambit like setup when it'll win me something trappish on the queenside and how it can end up in the Indian game and stuff like it's not always necessary to castle if your planning a pawn storm on that side up til around move 7 I can blitz out responses with almost no thought maybe 10 moves in my most comfortable lines and it's at worst marginally losing usually

TheGreenWombatsTrash

I'm at the point where I'm rarely surprised at an opponents move until middle game but I don't think I've ever been on book past move like 6 my moves are viable but not theory

PromisingPawns

Don't force yourself. But if you want to play something else, i would suggest you the same setup but with C4.

Jenium

There's nothing wrong in playing the London for a while. If the goal is improvement, however, I agree that it would be smart to switch things up and leave your comfort zone in order to get familiar with different structures and ideas. Otherwise you might end up like certain "professional chess streamers" who are lost when they see a minority attack or a IQP position because they have been hiding behind the London all their lives.

TheGreenWombatsTrash

At rupam I actually prefer the c4 london setup since it's got similar tactics to a queens gambit which is something I messed around with, I find it forces the opponent to make decisions they may not like in the center and keeps my knight tucked in behind my setup

TheGreenWombatsTrash

At jenium I know about isolated queens pawn positions because of center trades from the aforementioned c3 london but what's a minority attack

TheGreenWombatsTrash

C4?

TheGreenWombatsTrash

C4* kill me

magipi
TheGreenWombatsTrash wrote:
I've been hearing that the london is something like "too stable to teach good tactics and variability" or too common so easy to counter.

Both of these arguments are complete nonsense. If you remember who said those, just ignore everything those guys tell you.

Meanwhile, be happy that you have an opening. Stop worrying about openings and concentrate on more important stuff. Like tactics, middlegame strategies, endgames, tactics and more tactics.

TheGreenWombatsTrash

I know that endgame and middlegame tactics are more important than an opening maybe I should phrase the question better, I was thinking that while I work on my tactics and endgame is there any credence to the thought that a different opening might lead to endgames and middle games with more value for pushing though higher ranks as london seems pretty straight forward to a certain degree. It's a bit of a vague thing I know

magipi

The London is a completely respectable and normal opening. It would serve you well even if you were a grandmaster. Changing it won't improve your results. Indeed, it will probably be worse in the short run.

Also, changing your opening just because some guys said something nonsensical - it's just too bizarre.

Jenium
TheGreenWombatsTrash wrote:

At jenium I know about isolated queens pawn positions because of center trades from the aforementioned c3 london but what's a minority attack

It was just an example. The minority attack is a typical plan in the Carlsbad pawn structure.

If you're looking for arguments why you shouldn't stick to the London you also might want to look at IM Toth's video. He sums it up pretty well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy-JX7hoy-g&t=125s

TheGreenWombatsTrash

Well that's probably the most concise and blunt description of the issues I thought there might be with the london, is there an opening with maybe similar themes so I don't fee like I'm starting again from 0 knowledge. I also like the queens gambit but that's only against d5 which is why I swapped to london

SoupSailor
People say this about the London but it’s probably true with most openings if you play them exclusively. It’s a good idea to get out of your comfort zone and gain familiarity with new positions and ideas.
Boar1976
The London is respectable, and it is played by some titled players occasionally, but not pushing c4 to go with d4 is quite unusual and can cramp you up a bit. I don’t play d4 any more (I had a go with the London System too when I came back to chess), but after a couple of high quality lessons, I was encouraged to see c4 as being almost essential if you open d4. It is nice and flexible and yo7 get to understand patterns in loads of d4 openings well, some of which are quite easy to play.

I should say that I prefer open games and always now play 1) e4 with white. That suits name best, but it is a matter of preference and personality, I think
TheGreenWombatsTrash

Okay maybe an add on to my question I usually play a london but almost never the c3 london I go for the c4 option with the knight on c3 maybe that's not a london can anyone explain the difference because it doesn't show a difference to me in analysis