Is the Scotch Gambit sound?

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EternalChess

In my tournament I have come across the scotch gambit (i think thats what its called), and defended accurately for about 15 moves, and ended up winning..

My opponent played weak attacking-wise, and If he had played more aggresively, would have he achieved anything?

heres the game, im black (obviously)

EDIT: This guy ends up winning the tourney :(

 

After this game my opponent thought he was way better when i played Bd6, and i told him, you didnt play aggresively, you allowed me to develope calmly and take control of the game,

So then in round 6 he played the same opening! I was on board 1 and he was on board 2, i looked at him and smiled because it was funny that he was gonna try it again.. but this time he was prepared.. but his opponent blunders!!

orangehonda

I've seen Bd6 in similar positions, I believe you that it's good Tongue out

I'm surprised you call h6 and a6 waiting moves, I liked them and think they're useful, especially with the knight on a3.  Then you play Qd7 and have a very comfortable position.  White freaks out and drops a piece just 3 moves later :)

Flier

Yes the scotch gambit is sound the way it is played there. It should generally transpose to the two knights or giuoco piano. However the Bb4 line you played should yield white some decent advantage. After 6... Bd6 your devellopment is cramped and your opponent just didn't play it well enough.

ozzie_c_cobblepot

Is any gambit sound?

EternalChess

Wait which move is the scotch gambit? Move 2 or 5? Im not really sure and havent bothered looking it up

ozzie_c_cobblepot

Um I think it's move 4.

Typically reached via 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 (Scotch) exd4 4.Bc4 (Scotch Gambit)

EternalChess

oh yeah! i remember now, I knew this transposed into a scotch/scotch gambit but i never knew which move it was. I seen the scotch gambit multiple times its just how it transposed into it got me confused

Thanks for clearing it up

orangehonda

Looking again, Bd6 looks like an only move, you showed how e7 is terrible, c5 drops material, and f1 and a5 are unthinkable.  Bd6 has the added benefit of hitting e5.  Now I remember, I've seen this in the evans gambit, Bd6 is a respected move heh.

My tourney experiance (a few years ago) with something similar went 1.e5 d5 2.Bd3?! where I thought I'd punish him by playing d4 when instead I should have captured and played Nf6.

EternalChess
Adamperfection wrote:
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

Is any gambit sound?


queens gambit is...

great game I remember looking at Bd6 lines in the scotch and evans gambit...


 Thanks, I remember you explaining how Bd6 is the best move in the scotch/evans gambit and the other guy was saying how Ba5 is better :P

 Oh, btw send me your game where you crushed Siddeler or whatshisface.

EternalChess
orangehonda wrote:

Looking again, Bd6 looks like an only move, you showed how e7 is terrible, c5 drops material, and f1 and a5 are unthinkable.  Bd6 has the added benefit of hitting e5.  Now I remember, I've seen this in the evans gambit, Bd6 is a respected move heh.

My tourney experiance (a few years ago) with something similar went 1.e5 d5 2.Bd3?! where I thought I'd punish him by playing d4 when instead I should have captured and played Nf6.


 Hmm i never heard of Bd3, how did you do?

Flier

its move 4

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4

now the 2 most common replies are Bc5 (which may transpose to a giuoco piano, or Nf6 (which may transpose to a two knights defense). The third reply Bb4 is inferior and white should play it as a gambit with c3, and will get some advantage. So the scotch gambit is generally used to get some particular variation of the italian, and only played as a gambit when white get's enough compensation

In your game the move that was missed by white is 8. Ng5!

continuation might be: 8. Ng5 Ne5 9. Bb3 Bc5 10. Bxf7 Nxf7 11. Nxf7 Kxf7 12. Qh5+ h6 13. Qxc5 with advantage for white.

ozzie_c_cobblepot

Despite the name, the Queen's Gambit is not a gambit.

EternalChess
Flier wrote:

its move 4

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4

now the 2 most common replies are Bc5 (which may transpose to a giuoco piano, or Nf6 (which may transpose to a two knights defense). The third reply Bb4 is inferior and white should play it as a gambit with c3, and will get some advantage. So the scotch gambit is generally used to get some particular variation of the italian, and only played as a gambit when white get's enough compensation

In your game the move that was missed by white is 8. Ng5!

continuation might be: 8. Ng5 Ne5 9. Bb3 Bc5 10. Bxf7 Nxf7 11. Nxf7 Kxf7 12. Qh5+ h6 13. Qxc5 with advantage for white.


 Will white actually see all that? and 9... h6 is better (0.19) in that variation

orangehonda
SerbianChessStar wrote:
orangehonda wrote:

Looking again, Bd6 looks like an only move, you showed how e7 is terrible, c5 drops material, and f1 and a5 are unthinkable.  Bd6 has the added benefit of hitting e5.  Now I remember, I've seen this in the evans gambit, Bd6 is a respected move heh.

My tourney experiance (a few years ago) with something similar went 1.e5 d5 2.Bd3?! where I thought I'd punish him by playing d4 when instead I should have captured and played Nf6.


 Hmm i never heard of Bd3, how did you do?


He was rated something like 1100, that and the odd move made me expect to win, which I did, but not without some errors.  Back then I never played with any kind of plan and just sort of survived move to move.  He eventually blundered and I won Smile

poisonedpawn3

WHaaaaaaaaaat??????

This isn't even the scotch gambit your discussing. The Scotch Gambit is 1. e4 e5, 2.Nf3 Nc6, 3.d4 exd4.