Is the the Scheveningen Sicilian bad/outdated now?

PowerofHope
What’s so special about 2000players?
I dont notice any significant difference between u2000 and 2000+ in the opening phase of the game.
Ashvapathi

Nothing! I used it as a general marker. I meant to say that you are likely to meet booked up players more as you go higher up the rating ladder. I could have used 2200 instead of 2000 ... 

IMBacon
sho16 wrote:

I heard that Kasparov used to play the scheveningen but after looking into it seems that the Keres attack is a good counter.

As a USCF A/B player.  I have been using a line of the Benko Gambit that is considered "busted" at the GM level.  Why do i use it?  Why is it effective?  Because im not a GM, and im not playing GM's.

pfren
AntiNetwork έγραψε:

 

It's not a bad defense. You just have to play accurately  to get a winning chance as Black especially if White castles queenside.

A normawl way to play the Scheveningen Sicilian while avoiding the Keres attack is starting from the Najdorf variation. Black is intending to play against the English Attack, but many other options are good for white, such as 6.Bc4, 6.Bg5, 6.Be2 or 6.h3.

Scheveningen players also need to know typical breakthroughs in the centre for Black, especially the move d6-d5.

 

I guess you could use a better example than Saric vs. Houdini, sir.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr0J8SPENjM

 

Oh, and this technically is a Najdorf English attack, not a Schev.

pfren
IMBacon έγραψε:
sho16 wrote:

I heard that Kasparov used to play the scheveningen but after looking into it seems that the Keres attack is a good counter.

As a USCF A/B player.  I have been using a line of the Benko Gambit that is considered "busted" at the GM level.  Why do i use it?  Why is it effective?  Because im not a GM, and im not playing GM's.

 

The Benko is alive and well, at any level.

IMBacon
pfren wrote:
IMBacon έγραψε:
sho16 wrote:

I heard that Kasparov used to play the scheveningen but after looking into it seems that the Keres attack is a good counter.

As a USCF A/B player.  I have been using a line of the Benko Gambit that is considered "busted" at the GM level.  Why do i use it?  Why is it effective?  Because im not a GM, and im not playing GM's.

 

The Benko is alive and well, at any level.

Agreed.

fairytalebeast

hmm, can't benko gambit just be avoided? with regard to schevenningen people seem to regard keres attack with some kind of awe, almost like being an automatic win? I mean that attack has been around a long while now, surely somebody has come up with a refutation by now or at least a way to get a good even game against the thing?

IMBacon
fairytalebeast wrote:

hmm, can't benko gambit just be avoided? with regard to schevenningen people seem to regard keres attack with some kind of awe, almost like being an automatic win? I mean that attack has been around a long while now, surely somebody has come up with a refutation by now or at least a way to get a good even game against the thing?

The problem with these types of posts are the average everyday player suddenly thinking he can no longer play an opening/variation because a GM said its not good anymore. 

fairytalebeast

i agree, but not sure i understand? you talking benko or schevenningen? i like classic schev but am afraid to play because of the keres attack