Is there a chance that an amateur player will beat a 2600+ GM?

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awesomepuppy
achja wrote:

Every now and then I read about weekend tourneys upsets where GMs draw or lose against much lower rated players.

Does not happen very often, but it happens.

Here's an example where a young student and National Master wins against a GM (2400+) in a miniature :

 

Source :

https://www.uschess.org/content/view/9624/544/



eric is my teacher!!
 

woton

The April issue of Chess Life has an article titled "The Night I Beat Two Grandmasters."  The writer has an 1100 USCF rating.  It was a simultaneous exhibition, so I don't know if that counts (if I were the author, I would count it).

Also, I knew a player who beat Bobby Fischer in a simul in the eary sixties.

bjoshua1234

buts still, to make a GM blunder, u gotta lay a pressure on him. i have played a GM, but the whole game was him leading and me defending. BTW, he is 2400+ FIDE. Imagine 2600

iamboss123

there is a chance

AngeloPardi

Luke MacShane is an amateur player, but he has crossed 2700 once (allthough he is now slighty under 2700). He has wins against Aronian, Anand...

So the answer is YES. An amateur can beat a 2600 GM, or even a 2800 GM. 

bjoshua1234

if by amateur u mean 2500 strength but not titled u guys understand me wrong

madhacker
AngeloPardi wrote:

Luke MacShane is an amateur player

Assuming that the OP isn't talking about an exceptional case like McShane, but rather about an amateur patzer like all of us, the answer is that it depends on the level of patzerness. If the amateur is 2000+ then the very occasional freak result is possible, as shown by some of the games in this thread. If the amateur is 1500- then no, never in a thousand years.

TheGreatOogieBoogie

Does the GM play a cocky opening against an amateur?  Then maybe. 

1.e4,e5 2.Nf3,f5? any 1600+ would beat the GM

1.e4,f6? anyone 1400 and up wins.

1.e4,g5?! (maybe even ?) and an expert has a good chance to win. 

BlackbirdBlackbird

Of course there is a chance.

bobbyDK
TheGreatOogieBoogie skrev:

Does the GM play a cocky opening against an amateur?  Then maybe. 

1.e4,e5 2.Nf3,f5? any 1600+ would beat the GM

1.e4,f6? anyone 1400 and up wins.

1.e4,g5?! (maybe even ?) and an expert has a good chance to win. 

I doubt that the first two moves makes a different. the grandmaster knows how to transpose into a solid opening and knows how to make the pieces more active. better knowledge of pawn formation and more. is more skilled in middle game and endgame and calculates deeper and does not overlook things like hanging pieces and has less blunders/mistakes and finds tactics and may set traps that the lower rated players will fall into.

ederson

yes   after  serial games

ederson

Por favor seja relevante, útil e agradável!

Kingpatzer

There is a non-zero statistical possibility. But that is looking at it purely as a numbers level. When you actually consider any two individual players, assuming both are playing with equal levels of rest, sobriety, physical fitness, etc.,  then the answer is "no."

JuergenWerner

Not one of these threads again...

howian1

My friend Paul Poschell a regular master drew Fischer in the Western Open