Is there any chance that a 1100 rated player can beat a 2500+ rated player?

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Unicorn_Horn12
DoYouLikeCurry wrote:
There’s a formula to work out the probability. Readily available online. Ran the numbers for you, think the odds are 1 in 3,163 that an 1100 beats a 2500

The formula fails to match real world results when the rating difference is as large as ~400. This has been documented and people have suggested various fixes.

Unicorn_Horn12
StMichealD wrote:

Of course, I'm talking about games when both players want to win.

I also don't buy %0 percent chance, because I think I can get a win like 1 out of two million games.

Well i want to know, because i'm guessing my real life rating is 1100 something.

There's a chance I beat Usain Bolt in the 100m because he's only human. He could have a sudden heart attack or trip and break something.

But bizarre random misfortune is not really in the spirit of the question is it? If we add to "both players want to win" with "both players are in good form, focused, motivated, and nothing bizarre like a heart attack happens" then the chance of the 1100 winning is 0%.

A random move machine has a chance because it's possible to accidentally play perfect moves, but a 1100 is forced by their knowledge and experience and calculation to play bad moves. That's why they can't win.

barbashka
StMichealD wrote:

Of course, I'm talking about games when both players want to win.

I also don't buy %0 percent chance, because I think I can get a win like 1 out of two million games.

Well i want to know, because i'm guessing my real life rating is 1100 something.

Maybe in a 30 sec game or smth

SukiyaSalesBerlin

Depends. Back then I was still 1100 elo I once beat my girlfriend who was 2200 elo. Above 900 obvious blunders start declining and its possible for a player to go through a game without blunders at all,. If the timing of the game is short enough potentially you can hold out till timeout or if you're really lucky well everyone blunders.

piedraven

I once beat someone 500 points higher in a rare fluke...but I am under no illusions. It was exactly that - a rare fluke. 1100 vs 2500 would require either the rarest of anomalies or a massive blunder.

CoreyDevinPerich
Yes.
LilyPushkin

google 'elo win probability calculator'.

the chance of an 1100 beating a 2500 is 1 in 3800.

if you played 10 games a day, it would take you a year and a month to have a game where just by random chance the 2500 player had multiple blunders in a row. it's not good odds.

Pamvo7

"Is there any chance that a 1100 rated player can beat a 2500+ rated player?"

Only in Russia, where little girls can beat GMs:

satrancdama

If someone's level is X, the probabilty of winning or loosing against the level Y oppent is an exception. One occurence is nothing by default. What is the expectation? Releasing hormones?

dankmemes187

as a 700 i once beat a 2000 in 1 minute bullet... mind you i was about 1450 rapid at the time...

MaetsNori
Pamvo7 wrote:

"Is there any chance that a 1100 rated player can beat a 2500+ rated player?"

Only in Russia, where little girls can beat GMs:

That was a fun game.

But the girl was completely lost. The gentleman had mate in 1 on her at one point, then he smiled and decided to hang his queen, instead.

He lost on purpose to be kind to her.

I do the same thing with my 8-year-old son - I hang my pieces on purpose and act shocked and upset when he captures them.

It's all part of encouraging the love of the game. (Although it's also important to teach beginners to be okay with losing, too ...)

satrancdama

Yes, congrats. Playing against time limitation is also resulting an another question I think.
Some people is good at real time strategy games, some are good at turn based strategy games.
What my point is, other than chess, in general, as a beginner, I cannot beat Mike Tyson or any person who is doing his job for long time. It is not the low level player success, it is a sign of high level has a problem at that time. If it occurs rarely.
My rapid level is around 1000 in lichess, below 700 in 1 min bullet, 1300 in puzzles, now I am playing against 1800 level with 24 hours each turn, because i have too much thinking time, I feel good.
If I win, will it change anything? No. For me, the average level, default level is worth. Because only the defaults are continuous. On every topic. Loosing weight, doing any job. This is my opinion.
Only, limited time like parameters can make some changes.

nicepeoplearemypeople

About a 1 in 500 trillion

barbashka
dankmemes187 wrote:

as a 700 i once beat a 2000 in 1 minute bullet... mind you i was about 1450 rapid at the time...

Bullet doesn't count. There are plenty of high rated bullet players (around 2000) who are only 1500-1700 rated in blitz and rapid which means that they are not good chess players and rather just fast. Therefore if they encounter some lag or something that decreases the speed they can play at they are beatable by people rated 1500 in rapid.

knightstocker123
It’s highly unlikely!! Even if the 2500+ blunders a queen, they will find a way to fight back
piedraven
GreatGermania wrote:

Depends. Back then I was still 1100 elo I once beat my girlfriend who was 2200 elo. Above 900 obvious blunders start declining and its possible for a player to go through a game without blunders at all,. If the timing of the game is short enough potentially you can hold out till timeout or if you're really lucky well everyone blunders.

I wonder was she really 2200 strength or just...'women's 2200'.

Does she play in female only events a lot?

barbashka
piedraven wrote:
GreatGermania wrote:

Depends. Back then I was still 1100 elo I once beat my girlfriend who was 2200 elo. Above 900 obvious blunders start declining and its possible for a player to go through a game without blunders at all,. If the timing of the game is short enough potentially you can hold out till timeout or if you're really lucky well everyone blunders.

I wonder was she really 2200 strength or just...'women's 2200'.

Does she play in female only events a lot?

bro if u are 2200 you will play like a 2200 regardless of you who are

changedekar

If they try really hard ig

sndeww

hit his head repeatedly with a giant stick. he will fall unconscious and then his time will run out. This is the best method.

barbashka
B1ZMARK wrote:

hit his head repeatedly with a giant stick. he will fall unconscious and then his time will run out. This is the best method.

Hahahahaha, your a true comedian!

It was so funny I forgot to laugh
Keep up the good work!