Is there any chance that a 1300 rated player can beat a 2700 rated player?

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mdinnerspace wrote:

No.I addressed the person who suggested the 2700 would intentionally lose games, sandbag to 1300 then beat a 2700, thus making up a whole new, absurd, scenario where the question becomes possible.

Sandbag all the way from 2700 to 1300 is a very large job, and it is psygological diffucult for a superGM to lose that much. He will also lose income and invitations when the rating drops too much. Actually I have never ever heard of GMs sandbagging.

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FirebrandX wrote:

Although I do admit huge upsets can happen. My best non-rated upset was back when I was 1100, and a 2300 hung his queen on me in a queen + several pawns endgame. My best rated upset was beating a 2200 when I was 1647.

 

It does not mean much.  If you play a lot of chess you'll eventually meet strong players when you are playing your absolute best and they are a bit off form.  In OTB chess I have beaten a few IMs and significantly more FMs, but that is just a handful of results in a very long chess "career". 

I have never beaten a GM in one-on-one competition, despite having reached some objectively winning positions. At my peak I was rated in the mid 2100s.  If a 2100+ player cannot beat an average GM (about 2500) from a winning position then what chance does a 1300 player have?

Now, decades later, I am  no more than a mid-1900s player OTB.  But that is still strong enough for me to beat genuine 1300-rated players at slow time limits, without needing to exert myself at all. I need only play moderately sensibly and avoid blundering until I am given some material or some massive positional advantage. The only possible exception is a rapidly improving youngster whose published rating is lagging far behind their true playing strength.

Think about it.  2500 beats 2150 with ease from a very inferior position.  Strongest player ever beaten by the 2150 in hundreds of games was an off-form 2450 IM.

Old 1900+ player beats 1300s with ease, time after time after time.

The gulf between 1300 and 2700 is vast!

 

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Larger than the Gulf of Mexico

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As a player who is meh average I'd say that when I watch the great players, it seems that they are not even playing the same game as me.  Unless they were bedbound with a deathly illness, or I had their family hostage, I would lose 1000 matches in a row quite easily without ever coming close to a win, even with potential blunders.

 

 

Or by beat do you mean with a bat or a big stick, in which case I'd easily beat Aronian or someone of similar build.

 

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A theoretical (unrealistic) way to win for a 1300:  Have help from Magnus and Fabiano to make a fantastic homepreparation. Memorize it. Get it in.

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Teacher: Johnny, where's your homework?

Johnny: The dog ate it.

Teacher: I find that hard to believe.

Johnny: It could have happened !

Teacher: Well what kind of dog do you have?

Johnny: A Labador

Teacher: Well, if you had said a poodle, I might have believed you, but a labador?

Impossible !!

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You're just making a strawman argument, mdinnerspace. Yes, it's possible a dog could eat your homework. No, it's not reasonable to expect someone to believe that.

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Your homework

Not mine... therefore it's

Impossible! !

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Even Babe Ruth Struck Out!
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It was reported, but never proven that he was bribed.

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chessking1976 wrote:

leklerk1 wrote:

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics.

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79% of statistics are made up on the spot.

c'mon... you just made that up! lol

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Possibly, but he'd probably be able to outsmart you in 2 moves!

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in summary, its possible but the odds are slim, maybe 1 out of 1000

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that's just ridiculous StephanieC

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I have actually recently got a personal story about this.

 

I was in my school tournament, where I did very well, and got to the finals. In the quarter finals, I met this very strong player, who I barely managed to beat, and he warned me about this other person who was apparently quite strong. I met said person in the finals, and I lost with white, and I was basically unable to try to make a serious advantage. Now keep in mind, that I am close to 1800 rating. I analyzed the game after with him, and he seemed to have the skill of someone who was below 1500. I asked how he played. He said he played on this rather obscure chess app, and had a 1500 rating. It seemed strange that he played so well, but he seemed to analyze way worse. I analyzed the game with a computer, and I found that he played nearly perfectly, only making 1 inaccuracy.

 

The winner of the tourney gets to play a grand master afterwards, and it continued to be suspicious, as he held a draw. It seemed suspicious, that he used a ~2500 rated engine, and managed to draw. 

 

Do you guys think he cheated? This might help answer this question.

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Guys, I am a Chess lover , I have studied the GMs games studied the openings, the mid-games, the endings, the strategies, the theories, and the variations, and I can't seem to get any better that 1300, no matter how hard I study, would you please help me?

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@stephep Corellin, do puzzles. Do puzzles. Do more puzzles repeatedly. Then calculate how long it takes you to solve those puzzles. You need to give atleast that kind of time per move to think in a game. Play such games. You will be able to improve to 1700+ easily.

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@ StephenCorelli....You only started playing this month. You'll get there cowboy. Patience.

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Chessnutcafe wrote:

chessking1976 wrote:

leklerk1 wrote:

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics.

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79% of statistics are made up on the spot.

c'mon... you just made that up! lol

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Yes but you'll have to do a lot of research to prove it. 🤓

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Here's my sources, Chess Fundamentals(Capablanca @1930s) Chess Strategy(Edward Lasker). Blue book of Chess(Blue book publishing). Read those, and you'll find out all about theory. Sorry to say some thing in my defense, but it was necessary to maintain my beliefs. Thank you ChessKing1976, you are right, but when will I learn if not right. Here??