Is there any chance that a 1300 rated player can beat a 2700 rated player?

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mdinnerspace wrote:

I'll lend him my scuba tank that I carry around for just such chanch occurrences.

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You can never be too careful, eh?

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Elubas wrote:

Isn't it possible to die in any room also? I remember hearing something like, since molecules are random, all the oxygen molecules/atoms could just happen to gather in one corner where you can't breathe them in. 

I'm pretty sure gases naturally expand and spread out as much as possible. So it would be against the laws of physics for all the gas molecules to suddenly decide to use only a small part of the space available to them.

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mdinnerspace wrote:

Die in a room because all the oxygen molecules gather in 1 side of the room? While he's in the opposite side unable to breath, I'll lend him my scuba tank that I carry around for just such chanch occurrences.

Haha, well, that one was funny, mdinnerspace :) And thanks for being so thoughtful :)

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fianchetto123 wrote:
Elubas wrote:

Isn't it possible to die in any room also? I remember hearing something like, since molecules are random, all the oxygen molecules/atoms could just happen to gather in one corner where you can't breathe them in. 

I'm pretty sure gases naturally expand and spread out as much as possible. So it would be against the laws of physics for all the gas molecules to suddenly decide to use only a small part of the space available to them.

To defeat the laws of physics we need a very good lawyer.

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Is there any chance that a 1300 rated player beat a 2700 rated player ?

Sure : 1/(1+10^((2700-1300)/400)) is about 0.0003. It's not 0 and it's your chances )

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chessam1998 wrote:

Is there any chance that a 1300 rated player beat a 2700 rated player ?

Sure : 1/(1+10^((2700-1300)/400)) is about 0.0003. It's not 0 and it's your chances )

Now here is a most logical mathamatical formula. Better than most to date. But , like all previous equations, it fails miserably in describing what has become to be known as the impossible. There are 0 chanches the impossible will ever happen. Anyway, not until elephants learn to fly.

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An equation doesn't fail to describe the impossible. A result of 0 descibes it, in the above example replace the 1300 player with e.g. a rock rating 0 (how could a rock have any other rating, its never played before). The result is 0, ie impossible. Different to 0.0003. Pretty straightforward 

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Obviously a rock plays the stonewall...The database says it has only ever played 3 games: 1 loss vs paper, 1 win vs scissors and a draw with 'The Rock' in a much publicised 'Rock of ages' grudge match. 'The Rock', playing white,  simply sat at the board and repeated the phrase 'can you smell what the rock is cooking?' without making a move. Upon his 3rd repetition of this phrase the arbiter declared a draw.

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The Economics Prize was awarded to a trio of researchers, Mark Avis, Sarah Forbes and Shelagh Ferguson, "for assessing the perceived personalities of rocks, from a sales and marketing perspective." What?! The research, detailed in 2014 in the journal Marketing Theory, focuses on Jennifer Aaker's "brand personality" (BP) scale, which involves five dimensions (sincerity, excitement, competence, sophistication and ruggedness) along with their personality traits, to describe brands. The authors of the research say in the abstract that they chose rocks because "they do not have any obvious commonalities with brands, or have antecedents to BP formation. Findings revealed that each of the rock stimuli has a distinct BP and that the personality is developed from sometimes surprisingly detailed personifications.

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I cant believe someone asked this question?! And I cant believe I am posting to this stupid question! lol You are asking if a player who barely can play chess can win against a grandmaster? Gee! What do you think? Grandmaster would always win 1300 player in most cases playing without a queen! Could someone who just started boxing lessons beat Mike Tyson in his prime? lol

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But... but... but ...we just saw an equation that says it's possible !!! Now you may disagree with the .003 chanch, but there it is. Thusly "proving" it could happen.

With Every mathamatical equation given here by the "experts", no two have been the same. Results vary from .1 to 0.000000000001, but in some illogical sense people seem to think an equation depicts possibility. They descibes statistical probabilities, quite different than the possibility of an absurd event ever happening.

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Well, the FIDE elo rating system is done with that equation. i.e. if the FIDE elo system is well done, the expected result of a 10000 games match between a 1300 and a 2700 will be 3-9997

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chessam1998 wrote:

Well, the FIDE elo rating system is done with that equation. i.e. if the FIDE elo system is well done, the expected result of a 10000 games match between a 1300 and a 2700 will be 3-9997

3 wins and 9997 losses. That is actually a very good chance. Smile

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DjonniDerevnja wrote:
chessam1998 wrote:

Well, the FIDE elo rating system is done with that equation. i.e. if the FIDE elo system is well done, the expected result of a 10000 games match between a 1300 and a 2700 will be 3-9997

3 wins and 9997 losses. That is actually a very good chance. 

It's reasonable to expect the formula to lose its predictive power in extreme cases like this. Actually that's already been shown for rating gaps as big as 500 (I forgot the threshold). Lower rated players consistently score a little better than predicted.

Anyway, an expected score of 3 is not 3 wins. The rating system makes no distinction between a pair of draws and a win.

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DavidPeters2 wrote:

An equation doesn't fail to describe the impossible. A result of 0 descibes it, in the above example replace the 1300 player with e.g. a rock rating 0 (how could a rock have any other rating, its never played before). The result is 0, ie impossible. Different to 0.0003. Pretty straightforward 

For a reliable rating, the rock will need to play a few dozen games against a variety of opponents over a short period of time (lets say a few months).

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king_warrior wrote:

I cant believe someone asked this question?! And I cant believe I am posting to this stupid question! lol You are asking if a player who barely can play chess can win against a grandmaster? Gee! What do you think? Grandmaster would always win 1300 player in most cases playing without a queen! Could someone who just started boxing lessons beat Mike Tyson in his prime? lol

I dunno about without queen... Tongue Out

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Fascinating that the thread is still going on :)

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I read a few pages of this thread and I'm astounded that so many people don't understand what the word "impossible" means.