Is there any chance that a 1300 rated player can beat a 2700 rated player?

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The misunderstandings continue. 

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"It is a mistake, a huge one, to make the assumption that given more chanches, the odds turn in your favor for the lower rated to win."

Don't tell me you're getting my position mixed up with the gambler's fallacy! If I say that there is a decent shot of a 1300 winning once out of 10,000, I'm not saying that his chances are really low the first 9,999 games and then his odds are really high on the 10,000th. I'm saying that the chance of a 1300 to win on at least one of those games, which could be the first game, the 800th game or the 6500th game, is not so bad. 

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mdinnerspace wrote:

It is a mistake, a huge one, to make the assumption that given more chanches, the odds turn in your favor for the lower rated to win. 

When playing strong players, the weaker will somewhat adapt.

If a very talented 7 year old 1300  with filthy rich ambitious parents plays almost GMs only for at least 1000 games, with a few lower rated beatable players inbetween, he or she actually can achieve GM strenght at the age of 15 but due to the huge amount of losses still have 1300 rating. The lower rated players, maybe in one of ten, twenty or thirty games are needed to lift the rating up to 1300 again after lots of GM losses, and also to get some attackrehearsing.

A 1300 with GM strenght can beat a 2700.

To run a plan like this much money is needed, because GMs has to be paid and a huge number  very special invitational tournaments must be arranged . 

If a multibillionaire with sense of humour is reading this, he can pull this joke. With enough money to run the project he can hire some GMs, and also pay Hy Chang Vo and his father to pull this stunt. Hy is only 1277 now, but is young and talented enough to become Gm in maybe ten years if the motivation and funding is sufficient.









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Shakes head in disbelief. The arguement is can a 1300 player.... not the most highly convoluted hypothetical scenario where a player somehow maintains a 1300 rating but in fact plays like a GM.

What is that about? ???????

1300 means the skill set of a 1300 and nobody else. To invent scenarios is just plain a waste of time

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An old, established player rated 2356 won yesterday against a young 2701 at the Isle of Man tournament.

Now there is a Huge upset !

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mdinnerspace wrote:

Shakes head in disbelief. The arguement is can a 1300 player.... not the most highly convoluted hypothetical scenario where a player somehow maintains a 1300 rating but in fact plays like a GM.

What is that about? ???????

1300 means the skill set of a 1300 and nobody else. To invent scenarios is just plain a waste of time

Wasting time is recreation  Cool

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Somebody...please kill this thread...please

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The only way this thread will die. ..is when a 1300 wins a 2700. Then we throw up our arms in resignation. Meet at the tavern and burn our chess sets in effigy.

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mdinnerspace wrote:

The only way this thread will die. ..is when a 1300 wins a 2700. Then we throw up our arms in resignation. Meet at the tavern and burn our chess sets in effigy.

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Why let this thread die? What an interesting discussion!

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I defeated, not a 2700, but a 9 year old 1085 girl yesterday. I think the gameplan was great, and that a 1300 can use this plan to try defeating the 2700.

The plan: Slow build up of smooth development, castle early, not give away any chances, all pieces sound and covered, win the centre, attack central with knight on D5, pull a tactic to win the exchange, and finally a careful slow plan to land on the 7th rank with double rooks.

There is of course a problem. The 2700 has won more games, and is more skilled than the 1085, but dont let us hang up in details.

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Of course you come up with the perfect plan, because 1100 players just let you do them! The trick is to achieve such great set-ups against more precise play. It can take work to do such a thing when a good opponent is constantly trying to sabotage it.

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Yep. Absolutely. If he uses Houdini pro.1.5a. He can win all the matches against a 2700 player... Somebody plz close this fucked up forum....

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Feel free to describe your personal issues. Rest assured though, nobody gives a damn.

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If you're trying to get it closed by being abusive, I expect a mod will mute you instead.

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Elubas wrote:

Of course you come up with the perfect plan, because 1100 players just let you do them! The trick is to achieve such great set-ups against more precise play. It can take work to do such a thing when a good opponent is constantly trying to sabotage it.

I totally agree. The 1100s doesnt sabotage the perfects plan much, and  the GM destroys the perfect plans.

Anyway, a perfect plan is a good plan  :)

I am in a 78 board tournament know, hoping to feel the strenght of the masters. There are 29 masters participating. But there is a problem, the masters are playing on the top 20 bords, and I was playing at board 60. If I only had outplayed the almost 2000 player I met in the first round, I could have got a GM in the second, but resigning in move 15 wasnt good enough.

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I think a better question is:

IS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT A 1301 RATED PLAYER CAN BEAT A 2699 RATED PLAYER?

The answer would be the same for both questions.... Yes, but a very, very, very, + 97 more very, small chance!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Some more words about Hy Chang Vo. He doesnt count because he is not 1300, only 1277, and also is so much younger and stronger than normal 1300s that he doesnt count either.

But the boy can count!

Today he didnt play any GM, only a 1461, but look at the way he got the advantage! The beautiful bishopsacrifice in move 20 that started a tactical sequense ending in a knightfork in move 24. Read and enjoy? I enjoyed it as the loser, and Norwegian champion IM Johan Salomon enjoyed looking at it after the game.

Of course he never would have got the situation that allowed pulling such tactic against a GM. 

The only thing this game proofs is that a little 1277 kid is capable of  playing good beautiful chess against a mediocre opponent.

Read and enjoy:

http://tournamentservice.com/viewgame.aspx?TID=OsloChessFestival-Masters2016-NordstrandSjakklubb_2&GROUP=&gameno=573

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@ DjonniDerevnja, this boy who is 1277, his tactics is really impressive. He probably will climb up rating ladder quickly. A lot good coaches concentrate on tsctics and that is why these kids very strong in tactics. You actually outplay this kid and Rb1 was blunder, better is Nd2 and little struggle and a lot fight in the game by both player. 

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It's pretty unlikely, but not impossible.