Is there any chance that a 1300 rated player can beat a 2700 rated player?

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The best I've done is a draw vs a 2199 otb. Back in them good old days 1500 was a respectable rating.

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I'm a 1300 player so I speak with a thorough knowledge of this rating...we're kind of like monkeys mashing keyboards....most of the time its just random stuff but let us keep going long enough and eventually we'll accidentally make all the right moves.

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In the distant past games for odds used to be fairly common, where the stronger player would begin the game minus a piece or Two

 

I would imagine if you removed the 2700 players queen at the start then the 1300 player would have a good chance, but would he be favourite?     

  

 Actually odds tournaments would be quite interesting, a proper handicap tournament.

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We 1300s play many bad games, but we play good games too. Today I nailed one 5-5blitz. 21 moves. Caps score 99,66 . 94% best moves  https://www.chess.com/live/game/2148004186null

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triggerlips wrote:

In the distant past games for odds used to be fairly common, where the stronger player would begin the game minus a piece or Two

 

 

Interestingly, this is the norm in the excellent game of Go. Players of quite different rankings use a handicap of a certain number of stones to have an even game.

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no

 

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DjonniDerevnja wrote:

We 1300s play many bad games, but we play good games too. Today I nailed one 5-5blitz. 21 moves. Caps score 99,66 . 94% best moves  https://www.chess.com/live/game/2148004186

 

Keep playing like that and you'll get yourself banned.

 

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Ziryab wrote:
DjonniDerevnja wrote:

We 1300s play many bad games, but we play good games too. Today I nailed one 5-5blitz. 21 moves. Caps score 99,66 . 94% best moves  https://www.chess.com/live/game/2148004186

 

Keep playing like that and you'll get yourself banned.

 

Thanks a lot for the compliments happy.png.  To nail this one felt fantastic. To many times I have been lucky in the opening and not able to keep the pressure all the way in.

 

I hope to make more games at high precision level.  Høstturnering (The Autumn Tournament) in my chess club, Nordstrand, is my first goal. Its  an open Swiss, where I can play against much higher rated players if I get enough points. If I play that well, its good bye 1300s.

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I highly doubt he didn't use an engine. The opening if he knows it then yes he can see the correct variation if he has it memorised. But towards the end it seems pretty suspicious like Qg7 a 1300 would never consider that in a blitz game. I'm between 2000 and 2100 in blitz thought e5 instantly was winning it is. But Qg7 is much better because it threatens possible check mate and taking the rook. Keep in mind I did consider Qg7 but it were my game and I had a lot of time would probably still play e5 and win.Still seems really suspicious to me.

I don´t use computer help/ engine during the game,

and I am a good chess player in my better games, especially if I am leading so clear that the counterplay doesn't come.   

Qg7 was a very natural move. I saw it was a double threat- check mate and rook capture. This is the natural way for me to play when I see such opportunities, and it is very principal. I usually try to develop and approach the target  (here-the king) with threats. This is a well known strategy among tournament players, and I became extra aware of it after an analyze session with the all time most active Norwegian, Gunnar Bue (who sadly passed away this winter), after he beat me in his rated otb-game nr 3004. Gunnar has been learning some tricks to both me, GM Magnus Carlsen, IM Johan Sebastian Christensen and lots of other Norwegian chess players.

 

GM skills is not needed for a game like this. All the moves were very natural and most did not need very long calculations. The longest was probably Nxe5, which also was the move the after game computer analyze didn´t pick as best. (Computer wanted B x Ng7, followed up by a fork on bishop and knight with b4, because Nxe5 only won one pawn with best play from the opponent).)

 

I will never play that well against a GM, because the GM doesn't blunder and give away such opportunities. The GM also is pushing harder, and if I attack, the counterattack will be annoying and winning.  

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Sure, take a stick and BEAT the 2700 player with it. As to a game...more chance of a 500 player beating you 🤓
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fantasychesspro wrote:

I highly doubt he didn't use an engine. The opening if he knows it then yes he can see the correct variation if he has it memorised. But towards the end it seems pretty suspicious like Qg7 a 1300 would never consider that in a blitz game. I'm between 2000 and 2100 in blitz thought e5 instantly was winning it is. But Qg7 is much better because it threatens possible check mate and taking the rook. Keep in mind I did consider Qg7 but it were my game and I had a lot of time would probably still play e5 and win.Still seems really suspicious to me.

 

Excellent 21 15
Good 0 1
Inaccuracy (?!) 0 1
Mistake (?) 0 3
Blunder (??) 0 0
Forced 0 0
Best Move 100.0% 35.3%

 

A game like that would be extremely rare for a 1200 player, one in a million maybe.   Imagine what the odds must be for him to produce the following a few games later

Strength White Black
Excellent 18 15
Good 0 1
Inaccuracy (?!) 0 1
Mistake (?) 0 1
Blunder (??) 0 0
Forced 0 0
Best Move 66.7% 33.3%
Avg. Diff 0.06 0.29

 

Although Leicester did win the premier league so anything is possible

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triggerlips wrote:
fantasychesspro wrote:

I highly doubt he didn't use an engine. The opening if he knows it then yes he can see the correct variation if he has it memorised. But towards the end it seems pretty suspicious like Qg7 a 1300 would never consider that in a blitz game. I'm between 2000 and 2100 in blitz thought e5 instantly was winning it is. But Qg7 is much better because it threatens possible check mate and taking the rook. Keep in mind I did consider Qg7 but it were my game and I had a lot of time would probably still play e5 and win.Still seems really suspicious to me.

 

Excellent 21 15 Good 0 1 Inaccuracy (?!) 0 1 Mistake (?) 0 3 Blunder (??) 0 0 Forced 0 0 Best Move 100.0% 35.3%

 

A game like that would be extremely rare for a 1200 player, one in a million maybe.   Imagine what the odds must be for him to produce the following a few games later

Strength White Black Excellent 18 15 Good 0 1 Inaccuracy (?!) 0 1 Mistake (?) 0 1 Blunder (??) 0 0 Forced 0 0 Best Move 66.7% 33.3% Avg. Diff 0.06 0.29

 

Although Leicester did win the premier league so anything is possible

Maybe the chance for a 1200 playing that precise is on in a million, but for a strong 1300 like me, that 99,66 Caps-score /94% best move was exactly one in 4795 . I have some performances at ca 98 and a lot above 90. I also have a lot below 50.  I will very soon start my chess.com blitzgame nr 4796, and I am very happy if I score above 85.

If I remember correctly score above 96 never happens for me in games with many moves.

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DjonniDerevnja wrote:
 

Maybe the chance for a 1200 playing that precise is on in a million, but for a strong 1300 like me, that 99,66 Caps-score /94% best move was exactly one in 4795 . I have some performances at ca 98 and a lot above 90. I also have a lot below 50.  I will very soon start my chess.com blitzgame nr 4796, and I am very happy if I score above 85.

If I remember correctly score above 96 never happens for me in games with many moves.

Now I played my Chees.com blitzgame number 4796. It wasn't super, but quite good. My opponent opened well and his caps score was at 96 in move 16. I fell a couple of pawns behind but developed better and was able to score a tactic against his queen and bishop. After that he got punchdrunk and played worse.  I played reasonably ok and ended up with a caps score of 94 

https://www.chess.com/live/game/2152309286

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Game 4797. This one is a Caps 94 too. My opponent played equally precise. I am not satisfied and felt that there was  more on the board. https://www.chess.com/live/game/2152456357

 

What I am trying to say is that ratingdifferences means less than most debattants thinks and that lowrated players often are lowrated more because of inconsistens than an even lower level. The higher rated players are typically more even than the lowrated. They blunder less, and they see more. A lowrated player does in many games not see everything needed , but not in all games. In some games the eyes works very good.

 

The two newest games I dont post. You can find them in my archive. These games prooves that the 1300 plays a lot of bad moves now and then, and does lack focus and concentration.

 

There is a huge difference of strenght from game to game among some 1300s. The difference can easily be more than 1000 ratingpoints. One hour he is 750 strong, the next hour maybe 1750.

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DjonniDerevnja wrote:
 

Maybe the chance for a 1200 playing that precise is on in a million, but for a strong 1300 like me, that 99,66 Caps-score /94% best move was exactly one in 4795 . I have some performances at ca 98 and a lot above 90. I also have a lot below 50.  I will very soon start my chess.com blitzgame nr 4796, and I am very happy if I score above 85.

If I remember correctly score above 96 never happens for me in games with many moves.

 

    How can you be an extremely strong 1300 surprise.png   Last week you lost 15 games in a row against 1300 rated players, and your bullet rating is 900.  You do seem quite good at openings though, you must blunder alot

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triggerlips wrote:
DjonniDerevnja wrote:
 

Maybe the chance for a 1200 playing that precise is on in a million, but for a strong 1300 like me, that 99,66 Caps-score /94% best move was exactly one in 4795 . I have some performances at ca 98 and a lot above 90. I also have a lot below 50.  I will very soon start my chess.com blitzgame nr 4796, and I am very happy if I score above 85.

If I remember correctly score above 96 never happens for me in games with many moves.

 

    How can you be an extremely strong 1300    Last week you lost 15 games in a row against 1300 rated players, and your bullet rating is 900.  You do seem quite good at openings though, you must blunder alot

Extremely strong 1300 is long chess, not blitz, and certainly not bullet. When the clock runs too fast I often blunder or lose on time. Doesn't have time to both look at my opponents plans and my own. I was at the Fide 1400s last year, and think I belong up there. My Daily rating is  at around 1750.

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DjonniDerevnja wrote:
triggerlips wrote:
DjonniDerevnja wrote:
 

Maybe the chance for a 1200 playing that precise is on in a million, but for a strong 1300 like me, that 99,66 Caps-score /94% best move was exactly one in 4795 . I have some performances at ca 98 and a lot above 90. I also have a lot below 50.  I will very soon start my chess.com blitzgame nr 4796, and I am very happy if I score above 85.

If I remember correctly score above 96 never happens for me in games with many moves.

 

    How can you be an extremely strong 1300    Last week you lost 15 games in a row against 1300 rated players, and your bullet rating is 900.  You do seem quite good at openings though, you must blunder alot

Extremely strong 1300 is long chess, not blitz, and certainly not bullet. When the clock runs too fast I often blunder or lose on time. Doesn't have time to both look at my opponents plans and my own. I was at the Fide 1400s last year, and think I belong up there. My Daily rating is  at around 1750. "Extremely strong " is a slightly humouristic  phrasing, pun intended against they who underestimates us 1300s.

 

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