In all the times I've played otb chess I've never once had someone say "good skill". They always say "good luck".
You don't take that as a put down?
Never. I think wishing someone good fortune is a universally nice thing to say. Besides, good luck is the only way I can win against someone better than me.
but there is no luck to it. Its just someone not performing to their fullest. If someone beats me in a race, even though i have been shown to be better than them across a long range of time, they still beat me. If I tripped, they weren't lucky, I just made a mistake that they did not make
There is no such thing as luck, it depends on your skill level.
but there is no luck to it. Its just someone not performing to their fullest. If someone beats me in a race, even though i have been shown to be better than them across a long range of time, they still beat me. If I tripped, they weren't lucky, I just made a mistake that they did not make
Usually that's true. But there are times when I HAVE beat someone better than me. And it wasn't because I was suddenly better. Usually it all does come down to skill. But once in a while I'll make a move for no good reason and it turns out to be quite a good one. Of course the opposite happens too.
But you still outplayed them. You chose to make that move and it was a good one. And if you beat someone better because you played better then that wasn't luck. YOU PLAYED BETTER
In all the times I've played otb chess I've never once had someone say "good skill". They always say "good luck".
Just a common polite expression. I doubt you give a thorough explication of you present financial, health, and psychological status every time someone asks "How are you doing?"
Guys stop chatting. Focus on the game. I do not want to report you guys. So please STOP the chatting.
In American English it's just vague well-wishing. Probably the "real" meaning in the situation we are discussing would be "hopefully we'll both avoid gross blunders and have an interesting, well-played contest".
In other circumstances it can be a somewhat derogatory way of saying "what you just wished for will certainly never happen", often expressed as "good luck with that".
In all the times I've played otb chess I've never once had someone say "good skill". They always say "good luck".
Just a common polite expression. I doubt you give a thorough explication of you present financial, health, and psychological status every time someone asks "How are you doing?"
That's a good point. Although I rarely say "how are you doing" because it doesn't really mean anything. I usually say something more specific, like "hi, how is John doing" or "I hear you bought a new car".
When I say good luck, that is exactly what I mean.
But you still outplayed them. You chose to make that move and it was a good one. And if you beat someone better because you played better then that wasn't luck. YOU PLAYED BETTER
The act of choosing a move does not require any skill at all. I choose my lottery numbers myself and might have all the strategy in the world figured out behind it but still the result comes down to luck.
I think its come to this. Maybe theres some aspect of luck but the higher in rating you go, the less there is
I think its come to this. Maybe theres some aspect of luck but the higher in rating you go, the less there is
That's correct
I think its come to this. Maybe theres some aspect of luck but the higher in rating you go, the less there is
That's correct
Hold on now. Are you saying luck hangs around and chooses who to get involved with? Like a guardian angel?
This is very far off. Luck is based on odds and element of chance. They have a function in chess and are effected by players ability. There are plenty of posts here with more detail.
Perhaps they meant that at a low rating, some players will play random moves, therefore a factor of luck is greatly increased.
Yeah but..................they said luck is more involved at low ratings. Or something. My games must be all luck. Mostly bad.
I believe that I made the point to a particular beginner who is no longer on the site that his games were mostly decided by random chance. His move and those of most of his opponents seemed to have no rationale. I looked at a bunch of them. IIRC, his rating topped out at about 500 and he insisted that blitz was the only true sporting time control.
All this was when this thread was young.
You could argue with an yes and no. The yes is connected with hope chess, where you, as it already says, hope your opponent plays the worse moves to win. Take for example the scholar's mate. But it's also an no because you can avoid those mistakes which won't lead to these "unlucky" moments. That's why you can fix these errors and not hope that the enemy does nothing against that mistake.
I'd had the tendency just to look at the position because it was so interesting for some reason, and didn't want to spoil it by moving. It's really good when you just enjoy it and don't care.
Dada/Surrealist photographer/artist Man Ray was a fine chess player. His friend Marcel Duchamp, a member of the French Chess Olympic team, brought him onto the team (which at the time was captained by Alexander Alekhine), but the other members of the team never let him play in official competitions because he too often decided to make moves based on his artistic evaluation of the color/shape patterns that would result rather than on any chess considerations.
The only reason luck is involved in chess is because humans are machines and so we get tired and emotional so the results of games sometimes depend on if your opponent is playing at 100% or not.
The only reason luck is involved in chess is because humans are machines and so we get tired and emotional so the results of games sometimes depend on if your opponent is playing at 100% or not.
Yet we know that neither patzers nor GMs can play perfectly. Even today's top engines cannot play perfectly. Success/failure results from how much better/worse you play than your opponent. Keeping your concentration at maximum for an extended period is simply another chess-related skill.
Well the second one is just dumb. The first one is more respectful but less common.