can I challenge you?
Is there such thing as "luck" in chess?
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ChessAGC_YT wrote:
can I challenge you?
ok but ill send the challenge
Optimissed wrote:
OctopusOnSteroids wrote:
space-monkey-mafia wrote:
GlennBk wrote:
You reach out an make a pawn move because you don't know just what to do. Many moves later that particular pawn proves invaluble. It could not have been foreseen. All the time we are taking advantage of luck from positions we could never have forseen.
Who can tell what the position will be in ten moves time. Answer nobody.
Chess is just like life you attempt to steer things for the best but the future is unknown. If the future was known then there would be no point in having any tournaments.
The better players merely guide the thing as best they can and avoid unbalance.
well put! i couldn’t agree more!
In life you don't have every variable right in front of you. Precisely why there is no luck in chess.
We make every move ourselves and every benefit we are able to get is a result of skill.
Couldn't you equally say, "you don't have every variable in front of you, therefore there is luck in chess"? I don't see you making an actual argument.
I left a little bit unwritten for the readers intelligence to connect the dots and see what I'm saying. Tell me if you need a hint.
ChessAGC_YT wrote:
information is still not luck
My man, you just confused someone's argument that was for luck to be against luck and you gave it thumbs up. About my comment you thought the opposite. You're a disaster to have on my side.
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
OctopusOnSteroids wrote:
You're going to need something more in your argument, BigChessplayer. Chess is a game of full information. That actually implies all of it.
you could use the same argument for alot of strategy game :/ maybe the game itself doesn't involve luck theoretically but there's still other factors (example mood ) but i don't really feel like going into detail but usually beginners have to get luckier to win more games unless they get better . a better player doesn't need to get lucky to win a game as much of the time but a better player also knows how to make easier positions and get luckier typically you can't possibly know everything all the time in chess so unless you have 100% knowledge of the game sure your not lucky or if its something like stockfish since its just chess there isn't anything like emotions involved so there isn't any outside factors but for people sure they get lucky sometimes
"maybe the game itself doesn't involve luck"
We will take this thank you.
And you're right, I could use the argument for many strategy games because many of them are also fully skill based and involve no luck.
rules-wise, there’s almost no dispute in chess most of the time because everything possible is mostly covered. in sports, however, rules and luck are intertwined. there are other aspects as well, such as gravity, maybe the ball unexpectedly stays low, bounces too much, or spins too much... in chess, if the opponent spots something that one player misses, it shouldn’t really be called luck cuz even if a player misses an idea but 'luckily' finds a saving route later, and the opponent misses that idea until after committing to a move, it only makes the game more human. humans won’t calculate the all lines like a machine
Jan 12, 2025
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#3788
OctopusOnSteroids wrote:
ChessAGC_YT wrote:
information is still not luck
My man, you just confused someone's argument that was for luck to be against luck and you gave it thumbs up. About my comment you thought the opposite. You're a disaster to have on my side.
Just confirming your post...
OctopusOnSteroids wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
OctopusOnSteroids wrote:
You're going to need something more in your argument, BigChessplayer. Chess is a game of full information. That actually implies all of it.
you could use the same argument for alot of strategy game :/ maybe the game itself doesn't involve luck theoretically but there's still other factors (example mood ) but i don't really feel like going into detail but usually beginners have to get luckier to win more games unless they get better . a better player doesn't need to get lucky to win a game as much of the time but a better player also knows how to make easier positions and get luckier typically you can't possibly know everything all the time in chess so unless you have 100% knowledge of the game sure your not lucky or if its something like stockfish since its just chess there isn't anything like emotions involved so there isn't any outside factors but for people sure they get lucky sometimes
"maybe the game itself doesn't involve luck"
We will take this thank you.
And you're right, I could use the argument for many strategy games because many of them are also fully skill based and involve no luck.
that wasnt an agreement what it doesnt involve is random chance but thats not the same thing as luck
ChessAGC_YT wrote:
OctopusOnSteroids wrote:
ChessAGC_YT wrote:
information is still not luck
My man, you just confused someone's argument that was for luck to be against luck and you gave it thumbs up. About my comment you thought the opposite. You're a disaster to have on my side.
Just confirming your post...
Confirming my post by giving the other guy thumbs up? Allright big man
OctopusOnSteroids wrote:
ChessAGC_YT wrote:
OctopusOnSteroids wrote:
ChessAGC_YT wrote:
information is still not luck
My man, you just confused someone's argument that was for luck to be against luck and you gave it thumbs up. About my comment you thought the opposite. You're a disaster to have on my side.
Just confirming your post...
Confirming my post by giving the other guy thumbs up? Allright big man
my post was more similar to optimisses logic... again i wasn't agreeing with you
ChessAGC_YT wrote:
ChessAGC_YT wrote:
Oh, wait did I do that? My bad...
undid that!
also don't worry i beat one of my friends as a 1300 with just a knight and bishop(with pawns ) i could've done worse
Jan 12, 2025
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#3795
If you see this comment you are cursed unless you post this on 3 other forums (don’t blame me I didn’t start it)
Jan 12, 2025
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#3796
SuperStar104 wrote:
If you see this comment you are cursed unless you post this on 3 other forums (don’t blame me I didn’t start it)
really, the second time I've seen this, stop trolling and being irrelevant.
Jan 12, 2025
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#3797
ChessAGC_YT wrote:
Guys stop writing essays on how to correct each other, it's not that deep ngl.
somebody wants to shut people up and he has a phony moderator symbol by his name.
What is he doing in a forum where people talk?
Jan 12, 2025
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#3798
I do believe there is an element of luck. You're unsure of what move to make next, so you just pick a move and it happens to be brilliant - that's lucky.
Jan 12, 2025
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#3799
playerafar wrote:
ChessAGC_YT wrote:
Guys stop writing essays on how to correct each other, it's not that deep ngl.
somebody wants to shut people up and he has a phony moderator symbol by his name.
What is he doing in a forum where people talk?
Bro, what are you talking about, I am not a moderater, that ball was never rolling. Just shut up.
Optimissed wrote:
OctopusOnSteroids wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
OctopusOnSteroids wrote:
space-monkey-mafia wrote:
GlennBk wrote:
You reach out an make a pawn move because you don't know just what to do. Many moves later that particular pawn proves invaluble. It could not have been foreseen. All the time we are taking advantage of luck from positions we could never have forseen.
Who can tell what the position will be in ten moves time. Answer nobody.
Chess is just like life you attempt to steer things for the best but the future is unknown. If the future was known then there would be no point in having any tournaments.
The better players merely guide the thing as best they can and avoid unbalance.
well put! i couldn’t agree more!
In life you don't have every variable right in front of you. Precisely why there is no luck in chess.
We make every move ourselves and every benefit we are able to get is a result of skill.
Couldn't you equally say, "you don't have every variable in front of you, therefore there is luck in chess"? I don't see you making an actual argument.
I left a little bit unwritten for the readers intelligence to connect the dots and see what I'm saying. Tell me if you need a hint.
I need a hint.
In life you don't have all the variables in front of you and this means unpredictable things will happen and luck exists.
In chess you do have all the variables right there for you to study. Nothing happens randomly but exactly according to the script in front of you. This is the difference between life and chess and the reason why luck exists in life but not in the game of chess.
"mildly"