As is the case with all perfect information games.
Is there such thing as "luck" in chess?
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@ TheGrobe: There isn't complete information in chess. I'm not just talking about moves and positions you don't see. You don't know what your opponent does or does not see, which is very critical information in many cases. That said, there is a real distinction between this sort of thing and the imperfect information inherent in a card game.
So you're saying a skillful opponent never makes a mistake? Or if they do it is deliberate?
xxxIR0Nxxx wrote:
I'm so tired of this topic.
There is no luck in Chess, all information is on the board. There is no hidden information. Your opponent making a mistake is not "luck",it is simply lack of skill.
There is absolutley no similarity between it and any other gambling / luck based game.
Definition of LUCK
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a : a force that brings good fortune or adversity
b : the events or circumstances that operate for or against an individual
I would say that an opponent making a mistake, is indeed lucky/good fortune for the other opponent
Well, I would say, yes...to the extent that if you were born in a family that could afford a chess coach and would support your training, in a place where chess is culturally planted, and in a set of circumstances that would allow you to leisurely have access to all the resources you need to make progress is chess, then, yes, there has to be some element of luck in chess.
proletariate wrote:
Definition of LUCK
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a : a force that brings good fortune or adversity
b : the events or circumstances that operate for or against an individual
I would say that an opponent making a mistake, is indeed lucky/good fortune for the other opponent
wrong! the GAME itself has no inherent luck. OUTSIDE factors are seperate set of varitables from the game itself. ALL Competitions have luck YES but the game of chess is 100% a complete information type game. Nothing is hidden from the players so decisions are based on complete and open information. In a card game on any given situation the information is incomplete information. If the cards were all face up then it wouldnt be gambiling since the winner could easily be determined each hand (all the cards are not seen so a decision has to be made on incomplete data based on statisical evaluation and willingness to take a risk)
Does a chess competition have luck factors sure, but so does walking down the street. We dont consider a person having a medical emergency, a momentary lapse in judgement, or a natural disaster inherent parts of the GAME of chess but an outside factors that influences a particular competion.
keep the concepts of competition and game seperate and its easy to grasp that chess has no luck.
the two factors are seperate.
Oh boy, posting definitions... I'm going to skip this thread.
I consider it unlucky if I work out a good tactic, also the bad move that seems good, but I forget my plan for some reason. Sometimes my opponent will miss a chance that I see 3 moves away because, I made a positionally weak move, I consider that good luck. The draw you get in a tourney can be good or bad luck.
"Is there such thing as "luck" in chess?"
Yes, whenever I am paired with a hot phoxy lady.
That's always good.
I think luck is if people post intelligent responses to a thread
proletariate wrote:
xxxIR0Nxxx wrote:
Definition of LUCK
I'm so tired of this topic.
There is no luck in Chess, all information is on the board. There is no hidden information. Your opponent making a mistake is not "luck",it is simply lack of skill.
There is absolutley no similarity between it and any other gambling / luck based game.
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a : a force that brings good fortune or adversity
b : the events or circumstances that operate for or against an individual
I would say that an opponent making a mistake, is indeed lucky/good fortune for the other opponent
It's good that Proletariate posted the definition for those who don't know. I doubt that one person who believes that there is a factor of luck in chess is stating the luck is somehow inherent in the game itself (this is a reason it's one of my favorite games). Maybe I'm the only person who ever had a (seemingly harmless) pawn in a crucial position for the end-game; and after said, "I got lucky." And maybe I'm the only person who thought I was lucky to have the first move for my first game against a specific opponent.
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I remember walking into a casino and putting one USA dollar into a slot machine and winning $275.00, my sister looked at me and said of all the machines how did you know to pick that machine. and I said pure skill!
@TonyH:
I understand that, and thought about that even before posting. I suppose I just consider chess to be beyond just the game, since chess for me has become a way of life of some sort, hence it extends to the circumstances that would be either contributory or detrimental to your games.
of cuz there is luck!
Some people will not accept an idea that is contrary to their own regardless of the evidence or number of arguments opposed to their idea. These individuals often will not be persuaded by traditional methods; in most cases I won't even waste my time trying because they are usually prepared to object to any appeals to logic or reason.
No comment.
Card games and dice games hold a certain amount of chance so consequently are more prone to "luck". Not so in chess. The "luck" in chess, if it exists at all, is probably contained in a weak move by ones' opponent because of an oversight.
Do not expect much "luck" from a strong player, as they will only rarely offer such an oversight.
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