Is there such thing as "luck" in chess?

Jesus... First of all tell me what the contradiction is.  Secondly,  let me give you an example.  When in a casino you must throw the dice so it hits the back and wall and then rolls down the felt.    If you try to roll the dice in some special tricky way that looks like manipulation,   the craps guy will tell you to roll again.  Do it too much and he'll tell you to get lost.

The reason why dice rolls are random  is because they are intended to be and regulated so they are.   lmao.   Just like chess is intented to have NO elements of luck,  unlike dice rolls....

really?  Because some people win more with black.  sorry bud.  Even optimissed had to agree on this one.  In tournaments when players sometimes choose a color.  Why not choose white everytime?    lol

You do realize there are rules in the game of chess right?   You do realize what cheating means right?  

I already explained to you there are ways to cheat at dice without using fake dice.     How you place them and shake them in a cup for example or place them on the table.   Rules are necessary to keep all games fair.   And dice are intended to be purely random.   If we took the casino out the picture we would have to set our own agreed upon rules that I would insist on lol.  

I didn't drop any ball,  I think i probably made your head explode because you didn't think I would have an answer.  But you should know I always do.  Its obvious you know nothing about dice games.    You are in denial.

Also when someone says a craps shooter in the casino is experienced at rolling the dice,  it just means he makes it look artful and stylish and gives it a nice clean looking roll etc.   He doens't look like someone who never threw dice at the table before,   doesn't keep throwing bad rolls to make the "arbiter" to tell him to roll again.   Even if that crazy gambler (degenerate gamblers are literally like crazy crackheads)  thinks he is affecting the dice to increase his chances,  HE IS NOT!  hahaha.

Why would they choose black at an armegeddon tie breaker?

Even if you were to say white has a slight advantage,  that does not mean you can force a win as white.  That does not mean white automatically means success,  or regarding the topic,  good luck.

Its not though we have a clear definitions of what skilll, luck and chance are.   Some people just for some reason refuse to believe them because they don't fit in their narrative or support other beliefs they have.   To admit these definitions crashes their whole world.

For example btickler has always believed getting white is good luck.    IMO it is just random chance because white doesn't force a win,  white doesn't inherently mean something good or bad.  It all depends on the player.    

Also @btickler,  I just read something interesting that makes sense.   Players usually tend to have a higher percentage on white,  because that is usually what beginners learn first,  they learn the power of the first move, etc..    This is very very true in my case.   When I first started chess I had like an almost 60% win rate with white,  and only 40% win rate with black pieces.  It was a huge drastic difference.  The more experience I got and started learning some black openings,  because before that I really only knew a couple white ones.    Then I eventually increased my black win percentage and I have closed that gap.  so that now I'm pretty much 50/50 with either.

Its not though we have a clear definitions of what skilll, luck and chance are.   Some people just for some reason refuse to believe them because they don't fit in their narrative or support other beliefs they have.   To admit these definitions crashes their whole world.

For example btickler has always believed getting white is good luck.    IMO it is just random chance because white doesn't force a win,  white doesn't inherently mean something good or bad.  It all depends on the player.    

Also @btickler,  I just read something interesting that makes sense.   Players usually tend to have a higher percentage on white,  because that is usually what beginners learn first,  they learn the power of the first move, etc..    This is very very true in my case.   When I first started chess I had like an almost 60% win rate with white,  and only 40% win rate with black pieces.  It was a huge drastic difference.  The more experience I got and started learning some black openings,  because before that I really only knew a couple white ones.    Then I eventually increased my black win percentage and I have closed that gap.  so that now I'm pretty much 50/50 with either.

its not about them though bud.  Its about everyone reading from the shadows that might not know any better.  I do it for their benefit.   I know I can't change these poster's minds.   I believe the reason why society is becoming more and more crazy,  and people are rightly blaming the internet.   Is because the only people posting their opinions are people like them saying crazy things.    They unfortunately are the loudest voices online and I'm just doing my part to counter their narrative in a public space.   Very few people in this thread even play games on this site.    I mean its clear they are all trolls and they have dominated these forums for years poisoning young minds.    I'm standing up to them because I sincerely want to see the sport grow,  while they want to stop that from happening.

I agree, social media can corrupt a lot of people's minds that don't know better. I've seen people get emotional over what people post and say on the internet. I've even been corrupt my self at one point but I got over it with a few prayers. I'm only 14 currently but I think I'm wise for my age.

the old crazies who don't even care enough to play games here 

well like I said white is way better for all time stats.  for the full 6 months I been playing.  But for many of those months all i knew was how to play white.  Many experts are saying that is why white always skews better.   Sure white has a +.25 advantage on the eval bar because of the first move.   But that is also why we learn to play white first.    For most of us, and for more experienced players it doesn't make a difference,  or as the case with me and you right now we are slightly better with black at the moment.

So the whole point here is we can't say that getting white is necessarily "good luck" for someone and the reason they won a match.   In fact to do so would be contradicting the claim that chess is based purely on skill.    So people need to realize,  random chance,  does not necessarily mean luck.   Because as per the definition of luck,  its not luck if the action was from human ability,  and if it did not influence a successful or failed outcome.

Maybe it was in a private group... yeah the cheating forum, I made an anti speedrunning topic.

My views on it don't go as far as yours, but you'd probably have given me a thumbs up.

It is random chance,  but it is not  luck.  Because white does not force a win,  and does not necessarily increase ones chances of winning, regardless of the assumed advantage of the first move.

You tried to use my stats to prove your false assertion.   But as I explained,  win percentage skews higher for white in the playerbase,  because that is the color that people learn to play first.  But as players get more advanced,  especially for the pro players  it makes no difference.     I was literally at a 60 percent win rate with white and 40 precent win rate with black.  If you look at my all time stats i'm still only 45% win rate with black.   But now that I decided to learn black openings these past few months and work on my game with black pieces.   I'm now around 50/50 for the past 90 or 30 days.  51/52 and 52/51 respectively.    

So again the fact it depends on the skill of the player with each color,  means one color is not inherently bad or good.  Skill is still the only factor and the gameplay is determining the outcome.   

Speedrunning and trash talking the lower rated players on the way up is garbage, but Naroditsky (to use the best example available) never denigrates his opponents and in fact constantly defends them to his followers on chat, and applauds their play.  There are what,  50,000+ games a day?  Your chances of getting steamrolled by a speedrunner are incredibly tiny, and you get the rating points refunded.  Damage done?  Neglible.