Is there such thing as "luck" in chess?

some COOL ones

I can't think of any sport where luck hasn't decided an outcome. I think skill takes a person only so far. Even the very best of a particular profession will admit the role of luck. Games seem to be a little different to me though. there seems to be more games where luck plays a bigger part. 

You have a better vocabulary than I do, so what word would you use to describe someone who wouldn't agree with your sentence about darts?

Where is the definition of luck where it says "luck is a description of something that is not human ability causing the results"? I mean, it could exist somewhere, but I've never seen it. Where does that definition you suggest come from?

What I mean, where does it say luck is something a human doesn't cause the results? I've never seen the word human in a definition of luck. I've seen "not caused by ones own abilities", but not specific to humans. So if a rabbit is eating some four leaf clovers in a meadow by the end of a rainbow, and there has never been a fox in that meadow, but today there is, and he eats the rabbit, is that bad luck? No human ability (or non ability) caused anything.

     The definitions that say "not caused by one's own abilities" or "human actions" or luck only existing where deliberately randomizing mechanisms are employed is all stuff Mr. Cool invented himself and continues to use to claim others are are wrong in the way they talk about luck.

The example Optimissed gave seems to be a good one. Darts. Darts is a game of skill, but there is some luck, just like all sports (and many games). No matter how skillful the dart thrower is, once the dart is out of his hands, it's all luck from that point on. There is nothing the dart thrower can now do to influence the result. So if a gust of wind comes up, if a truck rumbles by and vibrates the dartboard a tiny amount, if the dart flying through the air suddenly loses one of it's little microscopic pieces, any of those things could influence which side of the barrier the dart lands on. None of them are controlled by the dart thrower. So the dart could hit the barrier and slide to a high scoring spot, or it could slide the other way to a low scoring spot. Pure luck whatever the result is. 

"Intuition plays no part in humans guessing moves?"

I think you wont comprehend if I explain bevause I've already done it so many times. Intuition, that I include ln the definition of human ability, is the reason why you end up making a move.

Human ability including intuition and everything your brain is capable of tho, cannot take into account all functions of a chess move or a sequence of x amount of moves. Therefore when YOU or anyone make a chess move, there can be functions this move causes in the game, that your human ability didnt account for. These functions can benefit you; Since human ability did not account for these functions of chess move, human ability is not responsible for them and cannot take credit. Credit goes to something we call luck.

It might not be a concept easy to understand for everyone.

"A soccer player of lesser skill would not pass the ball in the net mistakenly"

Explain what you mean by that? It happens frequently, that a player attempts to cross the ball to his teammate, but it goes straight in the net. At the very top level this happens.

“Oh. You’re an American. Americans don’t know anything about football.”

Spoken to me as I was trying to answer a question about the game that ended a few minutes before the speaker walked into A Friend at Hand, a Bloomsbury pub.

We played soccer in physical education in high school in the 1970s. But we didn’t learn much about the sport. Now, most young American children play soccer before they play baseball or American football. Only basketball is as popular.

This is just another way of saying "my perception is 40 years out of date".

Soccer is the 3rd most played sport in the US.  I was playing soccer on a team in LA when I was 6, a decade before your anecdote was to happen .

What I can say in your defense is that US soccer players' and fans' knowledge of soccer outside the US is not up to par with European or South American players and fans.  But their are plenty of sports bars in my area that go crazy during the World Cup.

As I tried to emphasize, soccer has grown in popularity in the United States substantially in the past few decades. 

I'm not sure where you got the idea a gust of wind from a truck would cause anything, but you do come up with strange ideas from time to time. I said a gust of wind, a truck rumbling by, or a piece of the dart falling off. Any of those things are beyond the abilities of the dart thrower, so yes, they would be luck if they played a part in the results of dart throwing. When the dart hits the barrier, I think Optimissed called it the wire, the dart can go either way. And no human can predict or plan for that, let alone have control over it. It comes down to luck. 

And the example I used earlier about an animal interfering with a golf ball is hardly ludicrous. There is a rule in golf that covers that exact scenario, because it happens so often. Check out all the Youtube videos of animals interfering with golfballs.  Are rules now ludicrous to you, just because you don't like them? You say it's "unthinkable". If it's so unthinkable why is there a rule regarding that scenario? We both know why, because LUCK sometimes happens. And when it does, it's wise to have rules in place to address it so that people don't have to argue about it when it happens. 

At least you can admit no amount of skill can account for scenarios like that. Which is WHY they are luck. 

I've explained to you with practical examples how luck and skill can both be involved in a single action, everything is available in my posts to prove this. Your counter argument is "this can't be". Muscle memory is included in my definition of human ability.

What do you think about my soccer example, is it lucky or human ability if a kick meant to be a cross to your teammate goes straight in the net? Im asking because you say if you don't plan for the result of the move doesn't mean its not skill.

     We played soccer in PE classes in junior high and high school in the 1960s, and there was a high-school soccer league in our area. It definitely was not a mainstream sport, no network TV and little interest in top European leagues. But remember that nearly everyone in the US came from somewhere else, a process than still goes on. Areas with greater concentrations of more-recent immigrants have a substantial soccer presence--adult leagues, kids' programs etc. Mexican League soccer has been on Spanish-language TV in Los Angeles for as long as I can remember.

     It's one of the top choices for children's programs because it doesn't require as much equipment as most other sports. And here in the San Francisco Bay Area expansion, improvement and increased availability of fields for league and recreational play is often a hot topic in municipal affairs.

"A much lesser skilled player would not even accidentally kick a ball into the net."

You're saying this but I'm telling you it frequently happens in soccer. A player tries to cross a ball in but the cross is inaccurate, beats the goalie and goes in. You make a claim "this can't happen" but it does, this is a pattern in our debate (if you can call it that). Maybe I misunderstand your comment because I'm not sure why you would claim this kind of things don't happen.

So as it does happen for a fact, I repeat the question, do you consider this skill or luck?

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optimissed you just sound like youre malding ngl

See the blue box?

Uncheck.

I didn't get it at first, now I do. I didn't understand your comment because nothing was quoted. But then I realized it didn't matter what was quoted. Any or all of his comments would justify your response. 

I have come to believe it's a mental condition. If it's not, it's trolling at a whole new level.