Is there such thing as "luck" in chess?

Sans the wind, no kicker can hook a ball like that. Even golfers with bad hooks don’t make the ball fly perpendicular to its original direction. But, in windy Clovis NM where I learned to golf, I once had the ball land behind me after I hit it.

Hey, that reminds me.... for you golf enthusiasts here on golf.com, I saw a good golf movie on Amazon Prime yesterday.  It*s called "Seven Days in Utopia" with Robert Duvall.

Okay man but out of interest, how about you address this:

"Isn't it possible that direction and/or speed of wind changes while the ball is in the air? This kind of external variable cannot be accounted for by the players."

Im just talking to do the achivement

I think a gust of wind deprived him of the success of a well-placed kick.

It is a matter of historical record that the winds were gusty during that game. The ball's behavior reflects a strong gust affecting it.

Gusts of wind have no effect on Coolout .

I posted the field goal example currently being argued weeks ago.  It's patently obvious that there is luck in a game with uncontrollable weather factors.  In fact, there are plenty of games where drawing a card or rolling dice are used to simulate weather.

Chess has no weather, though.

Practice only mitigates random external factors.  It does not remove them.  This is not hard to fathom.

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Ermm...no, that's exactly what people here do understand.  You can't even keep your own arguments straight.  You are arguing for luck in sports right now.

Nope.  I play there, and can post there if I choose.  You're the one that left Lichess .  They aren't as tolerant as chess.com of habitual trolling.

It's *incredibly* hard to figure out my Lichess account name...but maybe if you put some effort in you could figure it out.  You might just be able to...

Color selection in chess is statistically 5% better for white.  I am sure there are stats somewhere that would show that kickers are X% more accurate in domed stadiums, and that wind is ergo inherently a "bad" thing for a kicker.

Your arguments are the same failed ones you have used all along.  Which is why I'm not bothering to chime in much lately.  You have nothing new to offer, and your existing arguments are wrong and have been debunked dozens of times now by dozens of posters.  

This is certainly a LONG forum topic, and a verbose one at that...

It's pretty amusing to watch you guys play pretend.  Almost like you were real adults...but not quite.

     Many large arctic weather fronts move south into the US over the Great Lakes. Chicago is on the south end of Lake Michigan and gets a lot of very windy days in autumn and winter. Severely windy days--known as the "hawk wind"--are so bad that the city ties stout ropes between light poles along the sidewalks downtown for people to hold onto because when those winds are channelled between the large buildings they are strong  enough to blow pedestrians into the street, especially when the sidewalks are icy.

     So yes, it was an extremely strong gust of wind, but something that happens regularly there. The football stadium is right on the lakefront. On that play what happened was that when the ball achieved enough altitude to no longer be shielded from the wind by the stadium walls, the wind's full force just took it completely off course. I remember watching the game on TV and saw a few attempted long passes sail way off course, and one punt made a sudden 90 degree turn and flew all the way out of bounds just past the line of scrimmage. There's no way to prepare for those kinds of conditions, just take your best shot and hope for good luck.

     I watched that game on TV. When the "hawk" winds blow in Chicago sudden gusts can instantly turn a 25 mph stiff breeze into a 70 mph gale. The ball had plenty of "leg" behind it to reach the goal posts but the wing blew it back and to one side. There was no way for the kicker to know that the wind would shift direction and increase by 40 mph while his kick was in the air. No amount of skill and practice would help.

     With three seconds left in the half the 49ers coach, who knows a lot more about football and his placekicker's ability than either of us, decided that his best course of action was to try for a field goal. A couple of long passes and punts had been similarly affected during the game but a top football coach decided to take a chance--to hope for good luck.

    No. The point of this, and the golf-shot analogy, was that the wind changed radically AFTER the ball was struck, while it was on its way. No way to account for that, just bad luck that it happened at that time.

I don't know anything about football, but that was still impressive to watch. You are right about golfers too, what looks like a crazy hook or slice from one view isn't anywhere near perpendicular from the 90 degree view. 

It's pretty obvious wind gusts which happen after a shot, kick, or throw are made cannot be accounted for. So other than luck I don't know what other word could be used. What worse, from a golfers point of view anyway, is swirling wind. So there is a gentle wind from the south, with occasional gusts that are stronger. So nobody knows if or when a gust will pick up. So a shot might be played to allow for the wind, plus a guess on if a gust happens to pick up after the shot is made. And then while the ball is in mid air, the wind switches directions. It can make a professional golfer look like a beginner on a bad day. 

     Exactly. Trying to figure out what the wind will do on a gusty day is a guess. If it blows just as you hoped, good luck. If it changes while the ball is in the air, bad luck. It is something that is outside the range of human skill or planning to predict precisely. You just have to take a CHANCE and hope things go your way.