Is this game drawn by repetition - Not fair?

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Alex_Williams1

I don't think that there was repetition for 3 times in the following game:

http://www.chess.com/livechess/game.html?id=313373173

I should have won it as my opponent was under time pressure, me being up with two pawns with only a few pieces on the board and he being lower rated than me.

What do you think?

Thanks  a lot.

MoonlessNight

Even if you're winning, you still need to finish of your opponent. the game was repeated 3 times, and the game is drawn.

Alex_Williams1

What I am saying is that there was no repetition for 3 times - may be 2 times.

Alex_Williams1

These were the last moves:

49.Rf7
Alex_Williams1

Repitition started from 46th move.

Alex_Williams1

I was going to play a different move for the 49th move.

goldendog

No, from the 45th.

MoonlessNight

the position was the same at move 45, 47, and 49.

Alex_Williams1

Ok. agreed. My mistake. But I did not play Rf6 again to complete the third repetition in the 49th move.

Alex_Williams1
dalephilly wrote:

Right, immediately after white makes moves 45, 47, and 49, the positions are all identical.  Three or more is the prerequisite to claim a draw by repetition, and it is a valid claim.  You are under the mistaken assumption that it is only the position at the 'end' of a move (i.e. after black's 49th move) that matters.  It doesn't work that way; as soon as white makes his 49th move he can immediately claim draw by repetition without giving black a chance to move.

Well, you should be right. In that case, no hard feelings. I will be more careful next time onwards. Smile

goldendog

Insufficient Material is much trickier to untangle for the uninitiated.

Alex_Williams1
dalephilly wrote:

No problem, it's easy to get confused on these kinds of topics.  In the future, however, there's really no reason to make two different forum threads for the same thing, especially in such a short time frame.

Thanks. I am sorry to make two different forum threads. I made the second in the help and support section as there was no reply in this thread first.

Alex_Williams1
goldendog wrote:

Insufficient Material is much trickier to untangle for the uninitiated.

Well, English is not my native language. What is the meaning of uninitiated? I hope you are not insulting me. Smile

balapsyche

At the end of 11 th (Black) move too there has been a triple repeat !!
The game has extended far beyond it. :)

goldendog
sekhar1 wrote:
goldendog wrote:

Insufficient Material is much trickier to untangle for the uninitiated.

Well, English is not my native language. What is the meaning of uninitiated? I hope you are not insulting me. 

Uninitiated=not exposed to the material

Everyone gets their chance to learn here, I hope.

Alex_Williams1
sekhar1 wrote:
goldendog wrote:

Insufficient Material is much trickier to untangle for the uninitiated.

Well, English is not my native language. What is the meaning of uninitiated? I hope you are not insulting me. 

I checked the dictionary. I want to say that I am not a newbie. I know about the insufficient material part. And also this was not my first game drawn by repetition. But, I always thought there should be 3 full moves - by both white and black for the draw.

SquareDealer

According to my understanding of the rules of Chess, the player whose move when made will constitute repetion of position may claim a draw prior to making the move.

Jadeite

It's three repetitions of a position, not a move. If the same position, with the same player to move, is reached three times, either player can play a draw. So, for instance, I think this would be a draw:

shepi13

Just one question that interests me: If the repetition occurs early in a game without a draw, can you declare a draw later in the game? It would seem slightly cheap.

TonyH

no you have to claim a draw based on the repetition on that move if you change the position on say the 4th move no draw.