Is this good sportsmanship?
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What does one learn from resigning? Part of chess is sometimes playing from an inferior position. Resignation only stagnates a players learning. If I'm not mistaken, this site is dedicated to the betterment of our skills and understanding of the game.
I think asking an opponent to resign will always be viewed as poor sportsmanship.
I think playing out a lost game could or could not be viewed as poor sportsmanship. If you are playing OTB and your opponent is clearly a strong player, playing out a game where you are a knight and pawn down would be insulting. It might be taken by the opponent as saying something like "You may have gotten me to this point, but you are not that good, and will probably blunder away one of your pieces as well." This is between relatively strong players. I would say exceptions to the rule are:
1. Any game between beginners (maybe club standard or below)
2. Any game in a social setting
3. Any game played on-line!
We are all playing behind screen-names here. No one's ego or reputation is on the line. I would view any game played here as a learning experience, and think that you should therefore have no reluctance to playing out any game.
Billwall
I was trying to parody the band-wagon fallacy vs. the appeal to authority fallacy. What you say here is a great example of an ad hominem fallacy, i.e. Capablanca didn't behave according to his own advice, therefore his own advice is false or untrustworthy!
Don't listen to someone who says something like that. You may be able to turn it around! They could be bluffing. They might see something that you don't. Just do your thing. If they want to resign, let them. You go on. Put whatever they type on ignore and only listen to the shuffling of pieces and what your eyes are telling your brain your opponent doing. Don't pay someone like that any attention; instead, see it as weakness.
If I had just seen some miracle move for my opponent that would devestate me I might also be tempted to ask him to resign.
Why would anyone want a game to end? Mood. We all get in moods where we want to shout "Just give up! Go away! Stop this embarrassing beating! And give up chess while your at it, stick to tiddly-winks." I spend more time telling this stuff to myself than anyone else though.
As a general rule I prefer to play winning games. I like to promote my pawns and if my opponent doesn't resign then I will promote all of them. They don't like it? They can quit anytime. But once in a while I get in a chess playing mood in which I want to find the quickest mate I can (just like mother used to make).
The only time I might ask someone to resign would be if they were ahead by three Queens and twelve Knights or if I had eight sets of doubled pawns.
A won position is not a won game.
A won game is a game that is finished and has winner.
You resign if you see, believe or think that the game is over and you have lost.
If you still feel you have a game going you continue.
Before resigning look carefully on the position to see if there are any tactics or traps you can put or any other counter play you can do.
If there is a check mate in a few moves you could resign but it can sometimes be fun for both parts to actually play on and perform the check mate.
A won game is a game that is finished and has winner.
You resign if you see, believe or think that the game is over and you have lost.
If you still feel you have a game going you continue.
Before resigning look carefully on the position to see if there are any tactics or traps you can put or any other counter play you can do.
If there is a check mate in a few moves you could resign but it can sometimes be fun for both parts to actually play on and perform the check mate.
Sep 19, 2007
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I always ask my opponent to resign after he/she makes their first move. It gives us something to discuss in the forums.
I think for a player to ask/demand you resign is bad sportsmanship. However, I also believe its bad sportsmanship to play on in hopelessly lost positions. I have had players play on in ridiculous positions before and I usually dont play them again.
THE CAPTAIN NEVER LEAVES HIS SINKING SHIP, ITS NOT OVER TILL THE FATLADY SINGS, MARINES NEVER LEAVE A COMRADE BEHIND, and all that JAZZZZZZZZ. FR
This could be part of his tactics though, perhaps they see something that would break their back in the game and are trying to use their clout to avoid it. If that isn't the case I say that it is poor sportsmanship but you should not feel obliged to resign becuase of your oponents comment.
Yes i agree i wouldnt resign, not so i can upset him but because i could learn something about endgame play i would politly say "thanks for your sudjestion but i wont resign i know your going to win but i dont care i have much to learn and still believe this game has more to show me but thanks anyway"... thats what i would say or at least something like that besides chess is a funny game u never know what might happen ..... And i understand y he wants to finnish he doesnt want to waist anymore time or effort on a won game but he is not considering your point of view so he should just relax and let u lose at your pace if its that easy for him he shouldnt take much effort to win should he? thats my view anyway...Oh by the way i have a friend who know matter how many times he loses to me he wont quite trying i like that attitude so i continue to accept his challanges higher players need to give the lowers one a chance to have a go never know when we might get a lesson too hahaha.
Oh by the way i have a friend who know matter how many times he loses to me he wont quite trying i like that attitude so i continue to accept his challanges higher players need to give the lowers one a chance to have a go never know when we might get a lesson too hahaha.
Part of being a good player is knowing when you should resign. You wont make any friends in chess by playing on in hopeless positions and wasting the time of both you and your opponent.
Another Capablanca position.
Also not good sportmanship:
Offering a draw when I'm up a rook and two pawns...
Intellexual: Well done.
Barto4: RESIGN!!!!
Intellexual: I will not, Barto.
Intellexual: Calm yourself and focus on finishing the game.
Barto4: ahahah!!!
Intellexual: Congrats, Barto. =)
We both played unremarkably enough to warrant a full exercise. It seems Barto feared the likelihood of him snatching defeat from the jaws of victory and expressed himself, out of pocket. At any rate, my last message was postgame.
Aw..He's rude..I don't think you should resign..He might still make mistakes
He did make a mistake or two, afterward. It didn't cost him the game, but if we were to play again (which I'm not opposed to), I know that he's not able to put his emotions aside.
It is always poor sportsmanship to ask an opponent to resign. With the game in question, if the opponet's rating really is 2200 it is about double that of the original poster. Unless they are paired in a tournament I don't think games between players of such vastly different strength should be regarded so much as a contest to see who prevails so much as an experience for the weaker player. If the stronger of the two players can't regard a game like this a learning experience they are granting to their opponent they should never have agreed to play. You should never play on just to annoy the opponent (if their behaviour is bad I say take the higher ground) but in this case I don't think it's neccessary to resign becasue there is little hope of winning. There realy wasn't much hope from move one.
Feb 15, 2008
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In the immortal words of one of my heroes: "Gentlemen, we are faced with insurmountable opportunities..." ___ Pogo
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