I think the two center pawns are weak mainly because they are isolated, far advanced, and difficult to defend.
Is this position overextended?
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Jan 9, 2015
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#3
They are difficult to defend. They aren't really isolated though, they have each other and with the Ne4 I can call upon my c pawn for aid. I have the potential to create a very strong passed pawn also. During the game I was thinking about how Nimzowitsch said every mobile pawn mass is very dangerous and should not be allowed. Thats why I chose e6. In the game i played Qh4+ but after thinking about it some more now, Bd3 was a strong in between move. Then Qh4+ would come with much force. After creating the hole in blacks camp on f7 i think i should have focused on develepement rather than the maintenance of the center pawns.
Jan 9, 2015
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#4
Thank you very much for your opinion on the position! It is greatly appreciated :).
Jan 9, 2015
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#5
I think your attack square is f7. I'd 0-0-0 after getting your pieces out quickly 'cuz you're so far ahead in development. One thing ?....give up a pawn and don't worry about it. This is a open game 4white and good4 tactical players....
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In the early years of chess, back when Capablanca was world champion it was assumed by many that hanging pawns were a weakness. I relate these two pawns as a similar case. Capablanca proved them wrong that if you make it to the endgame, the pawns can be strong if reinforced by heavy pieces. In your case, however, you have advanced your center pawns and over extended your center. The problem with that is that they become easy targets. That was the whole. basis of the hyper-modern school. Cause the opponent to push their center pawns and then make them targets. My intuition says that the position is just bad for white. The f2-f3 square is very weak and there is also a gaping hole on g4. I would not want to play as white in this game.
I'm not trying to say I know it all, but for me I don't like it.
Jan 9, 2015
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#8
I see what your saying. Very good points. Thank you all for your opinions. I did a computer analysis on the position. The computer says white has a clear advantage with a 1.97 lead. Almost 2 pawn advantage. I believe in other positions you are right iovinich about over extending. The far advanced pawns restrict blacks and white has a space and development advantage
brian101co wrote:
All I can say is be sure about the theory behind this position. Black may have not played the opening very well and has no development. You may get into trouble later feeling that advancing the pawns is ok. Just be sure. Generally it's bad in the opening stages. Remember pawn moves don't count for development.
I see what your saying. Very good points. Thank you all for your opinions. I did a computer analysis on the position. The computer says white has a clear advantage with a 1.97 lead. Almost 2 pawn advantage. I believe in other positions you are right iovinich about over extending. The far advanced pawns restrict blacks and white has a space and development advantage
Jan 9, 2015
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#10
The higher the rated player the more this becomes a technical win 'cuz black is already lost.
XPLAYERJX wrote:
Good point. This is exactly what I had in mind.
The Opponent playing the Black pieces is playing the Pirc Defense which is a hyper modern opening he is just doing it all wrong. You never negelect the center even in Hyper modern Opening lines. The difference between Classical chess and Hyper Modern Chess is that
Classical Chess players take control over the center with pawn's directly
Hyper Modern players seek to take control over the center with pieces than try to counter attack the center later on with pawn's
Here is an example of a Pirc Defense Mainline
If you notice the difference in the game White would be considered playing the Classical style of chess with his pawns directly controlling the center
Black on the other hand would be playing a Hyper modern style his pawns don't directly control the center but his Knight and Bishop indirectly are. He will than use that to counter attack with either an e5 pawn break or c5 pawn break depending on how play follow's
When analysing it can be easy to overthink the position. Use the KISS principle.
White has a huge lead in developement, centre control & space.
Black has nothing!!
White can rapidly deploy his remaining pieces to good squares while Black is severely limited.
The problem here is you have achieved what all the Books tell you to do .... But this sort of thing doesn't happed often so the question you need to ask is; now I've got the advantage what do I do with it?
I would play Whites position anytime, its a win for White for me (assuming no blunders)
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XPLAYERJX wrote:
Yes I see that you and me are trying to explain an important fundamental in opening theory, whether the position is good or not. In this case black allowed it to happen. I don't really see the point in continuing this argument further. All we are trying to do is offer constructive feedback by providing generalized examples.
Iovinich wrote:
Good point. This is exactly what I had in mind.
Yeah the sad part is when you compare my verison of how the Pirc is suppose to look than compare it to the begin example lol doesn't it look so sad. I mean white will more than likely play the move 8.Nf3 in that top line that the OP showed and all black has to show is the move a6 lol virtually nothing esle has moved it looks as if white has been giving a bunch of free moves. Its a Slaugther really.
Jan 10, 2015
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#16
Thank you guys for all your feedback. It has been really helpful. Sometimes I see "ghost" on the chess board as Silman says. I need to work on that part. Thank you for your post XPLAYERJX it was very helpful.
I lost this game to a tactic later down the road but this position was giving me trouble. I was having a hard time finding a way to keep my e and d pawns intact. After black plays e6 I'm not sure how I can hold the position together. I did not like dxe6 because it would give me a weak e pawn i thought. I could play 8. Ne4 and then when my opponent plays e6 I could reply c4 to hold my center. I believe that was my best try. In the game I decided to play 8. e6 and create a weakness for his King position. I think it helped him more than it helped me lol. The game continued 8...fxe6 9. Qh4+, g6 10. Qe5 Nf6 11.dxe6. My question for you guys is did I over extend my position after 6.e5 ? Was 8. Ne4 the best continuation? Did my opponent's a6 have a deeper meaning than simply controlling b5?