Isin't resigning being a sore loser?

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mauriciolopezsr

Resigning is the right thing to do when you are in a hopeless position, Chess is the challenge fo two minds not a game of destruction!

Unless of course You think there is a chance that your opponent will drop dead of a heart attack and you can win by default!

Elubas

I will add that there is probably no way we can know when there is a 0% chance of saving a position. A hopeless situation in the truest sense, I can never know about, as I don't know when a one in a million hallucination may occur. Again though, it should all be up to the player; the resigner should be considering his time spent, not his opponent's. Never knowing for absolute sure what the result will be until it happens is part of what makes chess competition intense in my opinion.

Competition is a fierce animal but it's like a specific phase a person is in. They can act in a way that is completely separate from what they do on the board.

royalbishop

Aaaaah when your team is in a league and you need to reduce a couple games and your opponent drags out a game..... not fun at all. I want to join the Team Match and help my team win in that league. Or if i am Admin i have a players stuck in games where the players will not resign and i need them in key Team Matches. I can only send out so many news letters on same match. I can only send a one on messages to join the same match.

I went to the guys brother one time and ask him why he dragging it out. The guy would claim he had problems playing games and i see him everyday in notes and etc. So this idea of not resigning will grow into something else..... which it already has on this site.

Elubas

"But I resign when I decide to, not when someone else's idea of "etiquette" thinks I should."

Yup, this summarizes it all.

Elubas

"Aaaaah when your team is in a league and you need to reduce a couple games and your opponent drags out a game..... not fun at all."

Yes but if your opponent drags out a game very easy to win, it's almost as good as having a game reduced, isn't it? You hardly even have to think on that game, so every move can be played instantly. All you have to do is avoid losing on time.

waffllemaster
Elubas wrote:

Well, I did play on down three juicy pawns (used to be one, but got worse) in a rook ending, 3 pawns vs none, a rook and king on each side, against an NM. And yes, he was immature about it, pushed his pawns extra slowly (meaning, he would push the pawn for a couple of seconds before it finally moved to the next square). I'm like, you can do that all you want, I'm milking a .0031% chance of not losing the game instead of a 0% chance. In all seriousness, I do believe the chance of him messing up was above zero, just not much above zero.

So I really don't care how it makes the other side feel, no matter how strong they are. I make the most practical decision for myself, and don't rely on how others may react to determine what is the right choice for me.

How was he being immature?  It's his decision how fast to push his pawns, not someone else's idea of etiquette that dictates how fast his pawns are pushed.

Maybe you were reading some kind of intent into his actions due to some other circumstance that was going on over the board?  Oh that's right, you were refusing to resign Innocent

royalbishop

This opens the door for people abusing the vacation option. If a person did not resign on a team in a match. The option to go to your coach and opponents coach was on the table to stop this. The next game when it was time to resign the guy resigns or not going to play! Problem solved. It was the classy thing to do...... period.

waffllemaster
royalbishop wrote:

This opens the door for people abusing the vacation option. If a person did not resign on a team in a match. The option to go to your coach and opponents coach was on the table to stop this. The next game when it was time to resign the guy resigns or not going to play! Problem solved. It was the classy thing to do...... period.

I read this twice and still coudln't understand it...

Elubas

Well, yes, I have a feeling he was doing it out of spite. Of course, that is my guess, and you could argue that he might have thought I was playing on out of spite, interpreting an event just as I am. But considering the fact that he was pushing his pawns at a normal speed for most of the game, I think that is less ambiguous evidence than me making sure he will actually get one of those pawns to queen.

It was basically a position where the goal is trivial: don't hang your pawns, and slowly push forward. However, it's possible that you might think the goal is so trivial, you just forget about one of your pawns. It's a boring task to push forward without hanging anything, and it's possible to get too bored to accept the task.

Basically I would decide if someone was being immature based on whether or not he was doing something out of spite. If he had perfectly good intentions when he was pushing the pawn slowly, that's fine.

waffllemaster

I'm poking fun at you, but I often resign late in tournament games too... same reasons really, just making sure.

Elubas

And, here I am, with my unsuccessful attempt at playing on, and, well, I am just as well off as I would have been if I lost sooner. So I can't really regret that decision. If you got money for correctly guessing when you had a losing position by resigning, I'd be happy to resign then. Unfortunately, you don't.

ShaggyZ

Masters generally resign in lost position.  Most on this site are not masters. I don't think a 1200 playing another 1200 should resign after making a blunder because there are probably many more blunders to come from both sides.

I was recently playing and I had some pawns and a knight against some pawns, a knight, and a rook.

A master probably would have resigned in the lost position, but I am not going to resign and pretend that makes me a master.  What ended up happening is that my opponent moved his rook to a square which allowed me to fork his rook and his king, evening out the material and I was able to queen a pawn before him and win the game.

cazaron

No, resigning is not being a sore loser. It's conceding you've lost, and not wasting the other players' time. 
To an extent, I suppose, you could consider it 'not taking the loss', but you have- the only thing you're depriving the opponent of is the checkmate, not the win. 

Elubas

"A master probably would have resigned in the lost position, but I am not going to resign and pretend that makes me a master."

Haha, a lot of know-it-alls do that Laughing. That way even if they lose they are still the better player as they show their "idiot" opponent how "clearly winning" he was in a pawn up position!

royalbishop

Actual like in poker players have tells. I figure their is one condition to force a resign and now i am sure of it after talking to you in this forum. So obvious i could not believe i missed it.

royalbishop

Gotcha!

ozzie_c_cobblepot

Yes, except in chess.

royalbishop

Name a game and the players have tells.

blake78613
royalbishop wrote:

It is chess Ettiqueette to resign  .....when your 12+ down against an opponent with a way higher rank. Nothing to gain.  The result can lead to the guy just going out and do:

1) Get 2 Queens on the boar.

2) Snatch each an every pice of yours then mate you in a game.

3) Play the game out till just 1-2 moves before it could be considered a draw.

4) Check you to see how many consecutive checks they can get in a game.

5) Force your opponent all the way to your side of the board then mate him(horrible)

Need i go on.

You might as well, since you are making it up as you go along.  There certainly has been grandmaster games where one side has two Queens on the board and the other side rightfully went on and won.  For instance, Karpov - Kortchnoi, Dortmund 1994.



kissinger

One should never give up!!  Please listen to Al Pacino's motivational talk in his inspiring movie, "Any given Sunday",  Resigning  isn't being a sore loser!! It is a form of giving up; I had to get that out of my system!!  Just thinking outloud here..t/y.