blackfirestorm666 wrote:
4 pages of rubbish that should have been posted in Open Discussion group
Yeah whatever, are you selling hot-dogs there ?
Islam and chess
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Just a thought...didn't chess originate in the Middle East region where Islam also originated?
India, actually.
Feb 28, 2011
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I had made a posting on Islam and chess in my blog several months ago which amounted to little more than wondering certain things out loud. From the numerous responses my entry evoked, I came to the conclusion that nothing is set in stone, and most people, even the self-styled experts, are as confused as I am on the subject.
India - Persia - Arab ME - Europe seems to be the most likely path.
But it could plausibly have originated in Persia as well.
Reb wrote:
When I pay an entry fee to play in a chess tournament I am not gambling. I am simply paying for services rendered : certain number of rated games, place to play, etc.... If I bet with my opponent on an individual game or bet with someone on how I might finish or who will win the tourney then I am gambling.
This seems perfectly reasonable.
illusionweaver wrote:
Interesting post... its always saddened me that something as mind-boosting as chess is sinful in some systems. Chess has always been a positive activity in my life that everyone should have a chance to try.
It was not about chess, but about putting money on chess game which is gambling and gambling is prohibited in some religious systems .
ivanx00 wrote:
There is a masters degree in chess??? What college is that! I would join immediately!!
Perhaps its a course offered in some Mexican schools?
Latvianfan wrote:
I would just like to share this. I couldn't help but chuckle.
Taken from http://www.islamweb.net/emainpage/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=89002
Question My son is very eager about playing the chess. He has been taken masters degree in chess from the university and now he teaches the chess in college to his students. He participates in the competitions of the chess in different cities and wins the prizes because it is his job. But he doesn't play on bet. Somebody told me that its a bad profession. So what is your opinion about playing and teaching the chess?
Answer
Chess game is of three kinds:
1) Chess that includes compensation: It is forbidden according to the agreement of scholars. Imaam Ibn 'Abdul-Barr said: 'The scholars agreed in a consensus that playing chess for compensation is gambling and it is forbidden.'
2) If playing chess leads to abandoning an obligation or committing a forbidden act, like not performing the prayer, or abandoning being dutiful to parents, telling a lie and false swearing. Shaykh Al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah said: 'This form of chess is forbidden according to the consensus of all scholars.'
3) If playing is free from all kinds of prohibitions: If it is without compensation and does not involve abandoning an obligation or committing a forbidden act, then the scholars differed about it. Some are of the view that it is forbidden and some others are of the opinion that it is dislikeable. The Hanafi and Hanbali Schools are of the view that it is forbidden. However, it is confirmed that 'Ali passed by a people who were playing chess and asked them: 'What are these statues to which you are devoted?"
'Abdullaah Ibn 'Umar was asked about chess and he replied: 'It is forbidden like the dice.' Ibn 'Abbaas was managing a property of an orphan and he found chess in it, so he burnt it. Abu Moosaa Al-Ash'aree said: 'It is only a sinner who would play chess.'
The Shaafi'ee School are of the view that chess is dislikeable. However, Al-Balqeeni who was from the Shaafi'ee School objected to the opinion of his school and said that it is permissible if it is free from all prohibitions. Moreover, it is reported thatSa'eed Ibn Jubayr and Sa'eed Ibn Al-Mussayyib, and some righteous predecessors used to play chess.
The Maaliki School are of the view that if it is rarely played then it is dislikeable, but if one is addicted to it, then he could not be permitted to testify in court.
To conclude, playing chess is of three kinds: Two are exclusively forbidden, and the third is differed about among the scholars but the majority of them are of the opinion that it is forbidden. This is enough of a deterrence for a sound Muslim against playing this game or teaching it, let alone taking it as a profession to earn his living.
Allaah knows best.
You chuckled...hmmm...what were you doing there at that hardcore islamic site in the first place?
It is a "hardcore site" given to conservative interpretations yes, but I also sometimes visit it to get info. Easier than Googling all these quotes. :)
Atos wrote:
It is a "hardcore site" given to conservative interpretations yes, but I also sometimes visit it to get info. Easier than Googling all these quotes. :)
wow, isn't it kinda revolutionary to know that people go to islamic sites to get info and to find out islamic applications , pros n cons and concerns about chess? I am amazed !
chessica wrote:
Atos wrote:
It is a "hardcore site" given to conservative interpretations yes, but I also sometimes visit it to get info. Easier than Googling all these quotes. :)
wow, isn't it kinda revolutionary to know that people go to islamic sites to get info and to find out islamic applications , pros n cons and concerns about chess? I am amazed !
Not about chess specifically.
hmmmmm
Feb 28, 2011
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chessica wrote:
Atos wrote:
It is a "hardcore site" given to conservative interpretations yes, but I also sometimes visit it to get info. Easier than Googling all these quotes. :)
wow, isn't it kinda revolutionary to know that people go to islamic sites to get info and to find out islamic applications , pros n cons and concerns about chess? I am amazed !
I don't think this is a phenomenom peculiar to Islam. Similar debates, discussions and interpretations of other religions may be found online too.
You can download Android and iPhone versions of the Koran, Torah and Christian Bible, if you are so inclined
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chessica wrote:
Atos wrote:
It is a "hardcore site" given to conservative interpretations yes, but I also sometimes visit it to get info. Easier than Googling all these quotes. :)
wow, isn't it kinda revolutionary to know that people go to islamic sites to get info and to find out islamic applications , pros n cons and concerns about chess? I am amazed !
Exactly what do you consider amazing about that ?
Well said blackfire.Anyway theres nothing wrong with gambling.