it is cheating if play with bord?
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Nope...its a good way to learn
Yes, it's ok as long as you don't move the pieces when you analyse the position.
What do you mean by "online"? Do you mean Erik's special term for correspondence? If so, no problem. If live, it's cheating. Think of it this way. If you were playing OTB and whipped out a little magnetic set and started moving pieces around, don't you think your opponent would object. I'll find the rule for you:
In Live Chess, no outside assistance OF ANY KIND is permitted
OK, that said, as long as you're not moving pieces around anywhere except in your head, I'm sure most would agree it's OK. But technically according to the rules, it's not. Sorry to be a killjoy...
Is it cheating if I visualise the board in my head and make moves on that board... keeping mental notes on how they turn out?
It sounds a bit... exactly the same! 
No, it is not cheating at all to have the game set up on a physical board. To be clear, though, it would be cheating if you moved the pieces around in any way that was not just a replica of the current game position.
Look I agree there's nothing wrong with doing it, but the rule is very clear:
In Live Chess, no outside assistance OF ANY KIND is permitted
baddogno wrote:
Look I agree there's nothing wrong with doing it, but the rule is very clear:
In Live Chess, no outside assistance OF ANY KIND is permitted
How is it outside assistance? (I'm just curious why you think it is as I do not think it is.)
You have an alternate view of the board. Look guys, I'm just the messenger here, OK? If I start playing long live chess games here, of course I'm gonna use a board. But the rule is inescapable no matter how silly we ALL think it is.
it is a conundrum of ethics. to use a second board in order to analyze a game is most definatly considered wrong (except in cases like the turn based games where they actually give you a button called "analyze" which causes a second board to pop up on which you can do just that). however, there is no way for them to tell if you are using one. i might suggest though, that learning to make calculations in you head would be much more valuable to you. there are many resources online to help with this.
Jan 13, 2015
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I'd be more than happy if my bullet chess opponents try using a real board alongside while they play me!
baddogno wrote:
You have an alternate view of the board. Look guys, I'm just the messenger here, OK? If I start playing long live chess games here, of course I'm gonna use a board. But the rule is inescapable no matter how silly we ALL think it is.
Don't get defensive. I just want to know why you think that. Saying that you have an alternate view of the board is not an answer becasue in a live tournament I am alowed to walk around the board to get "alternate viiews". So getting an "alternate view" is not against the rules.
So what rule is inescapable?
Jan 13, 2015
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Olympian256 wrote:
Then you should not be allowed to eat if you are hungry since that is outside assistance too.
Or you are not allowed to drink coffee.You are also not allowed to be warm , and you are not allowed to be happy because you play better so that is outside assistance.
What nonsense are these,
As far as I am aware you can do all these while playing an over the board tournament, but you certainly can't get out your own board and start playing moves on it so I don't see why it is nonsense to be the same in live chess here!
glamdring27 wrote:
Olympian256 wrote:
Then you should not be allowed to eat if you are hungry since that is outside assistance too.
Or you are not allowed to drink coffee.You are also not allowed to be warm , and you are not allowed to be happy because you play better so that is outside assistance.
What nonsense are these,
As far as I am aware you can do all these while playing an over the board tournament, but you certainly can't get out your own board and start playing moves on it so I don't see why it is nonsense to be the same in live chess here!
Actually you have a real board in front of you already so it would be pointless.
@Olympian256:
Uh, no. Even though we have some disagreement here as to the letter of the law, everyone here but you agrees that moving pieces around is flat out cheating. Sorry, but your statement is wrong:
And yes , you can have a board and move the pieces around.
As long as you only replicate the position of the game and do not use it to play out candidate moves then it is perfectly fine. If it is "technically" against the rules then who cares? The rules are here to help us ensure a fair game. If a rule isn't necessary then break it.
OK, can we all pick on Olympian256 now? I'm tired of defending my view; maybe it's not even technically against the rules. Where's Erik when you need him?
baddogno wrote:
Look I agree there's nothing wrong with doing it, but the rule is very clear:
In Live Chess, no outside assistance OF ANY KIND is permitted
I agree, but having a real board set up is not assistance. Assistance is help. No one or nothing is helping you choose your chess moves. This is a standard rule on all chess servers. Your interpretation of the rule is incorrect here.
Jan 13, 2015
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pawpatrol wrote:
baddogno wrote:
Look I agree there's nothing wrong with doing it, but the rule is very clear:
In Live Chess, no outside assistance OF ANY KIND is permitted
I agree, but having a real board set up is not assistance. Assistance is help. No one or nothing is helping you choose your chess moves. This is a standard rule on all chess servers. Your interpretation of the rule is incorrect here.
I would imagine playing out lots of variations on a real board would assist me a great deal in live chess in the same way that I use the analysis board often for online chess. For blindfold chess geniuses who can visualise all the variations many moves deep in their head then no, it wouldn't be much assistance!