Guess what?They will say the board is a "reference" tool and a new round of endless "discussion" will start.
Recalling games (in your mind) played in the past is also a reference tool. Recalling how to move your knight is also a reference tool. According to this logic everyone is cheating.
I only read page one.
I think the rules must be changed, if you are not allowed to testmove on a board when playing livechess.
Because it is not possible to control, and all should have equal rights to tools.
I would never use such board, because my goal is to improve otb, for that reason I need to train my brain to visualize without bordmovingassitance.
They use the same argument about doping in sports... Having a physical board set up next to your computer in live chess is perfectly alright, as long as you DON'T use it as an analysis board. I play my long games like this, and very much try to play like in a real OTB event. That includes if I touch a piece I move that piece. I broke this rule I put on myself once, but then again, on the computer you are free to click on a piece and change your mind any number of times until finally "dropping" a piece on a new square and thus making a move. This is a major difference between OTB and internet live chess.
Doping in sport is different, because it is also an healthrisk. So I think adjusting the rules is the way to go here. Allowing analysing on a board doesnt harm the games.
If I loose to a Boardman, its ok for me. He probably blunders slightly less, so I must play presice myself to win.
I only read page one.
I think the rules must be changed, if you are not allowed to testmove on a board when playing livechess.
Because it is not possible to control, and all should have equal rights to tools.
I would never use such board, because my goal is to improve otb, for that reason I need to train my brain to visualize without bordmovingassitance.
They use the same argument about doping in sports... Having a physical board set up next to your computer in live chess is perfectly alright, as long as you DON'T use it as an analysis board. I play my long games like this, and very much try to play like in a real OTB event. That includes if I touch a piece I move that piece. I broke this rule I put on myself once, but then again, on the computer you are free to click on a piece and change your mind any number of times until finally "dropping" a piece on a new square and thus making a move. This is a major difference between OTB and internet live chess.
Doping in sport is different, because it is also an healthrisk. So I think adjusting the rules is the way to go here. Allowing analysing on a board doesnt harm the games.
If I loose to a Boardman, its ok for me. He probably blunders slightly less, so I must play presice myself to win.
A game is by definition some kind of activity with a rules set. If you are breaking the rules you are no longer playing the game. Something to think about for all those engine users et cetera. But I suppose cheaters aren't interested in the actual game.
i would like to add, it is perfectly legal to eat, drink, etc. in OTB tournaments, as long as you don't do so in a disruptive manner. you could even ask an arbiter if it would be possible to have the heater turned on if you felt it was too cold in a room where the tournament was taking place. if enough people had made the same complaint, guess what? they would turn on the heater!
No it is not legal and in any case , it is not legal in all tournaments.There are tournaments , in which I have played that force you to eat in the waiting room.But even those that allow you to eat , they don't allow you to have a plate with your food , bread , and a bottle of win next to the board, right?So if I play live chess , eating dinner , and drinking wine , I am cheating.
Also , there is nothing anyone can do about the heat of the room.So if I turn the heat on in my room it's cheating.
Again , you try to convince yourselves that OTB and online live chess are the same ,sorry to dissapoint you , FIDE rules apply for tournaments with FIDE rating and FIDE arbiters.Chess.com's live chess has neither of the 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4IeJNYlzWs
Carlsen has a can of Coca-cola with him. Obviously he is cheating! He is breaking the rules! why does nobody care?! OMG ITS THE ILLUMINATI!!!
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That rant over with. Many world championship contenders will bring drinks with them. It is not rare, nor is it against the rules. Those tournements were probobaly being careful that you don't spill crap everywhere. That stuff gets messy, ya know.
Despite, Djonni, shouldn't the rules in live chess be changed to allow engine use as well? Because some people are using it. No? Thought not.
Thousands of players have chess books, especially opening books, in their laps while playing live chess.
This says nothing about the 10+ percent of cheats using engines. Consult the discussion in the Cheating Forum for more details, if you wish.
Having a board next to you is just piddling cheating.
So Just Live With It. You really don't have a choice. Even if you're "bord."
End of Story.
Despite, Djonni, shouldn't the rules in live chess be changed to allow engine use as well? Because some people are using it. No? Thought not.
That's a completely bull analogy, and completely uncalled for.
A set up board doesn't tell you what moves to make. There is still no outside information.
I've played blindfolded games where I kept writing down notes about different variations, and no one complained about it.
It's technically the same exact thing, is it not.
There's some truly breathtaking hairsplitting going on in this thread.
The liberal use of strained metaphors and a compendium exceptions is quite luxurious.
Onward...
Despite, Djonni, shouldn't the rules in live chess be changed to allow engine use as well? Because some people are using it. No? Thought not.
That's a completely bull analogy, and completely uncalled for.
A set up board doesn't tell you what moves to make. There is still no outside information.
I've played blindfolded games where I kept writing down notes about different variations, and no one complained about it.
It's technically the same exact thing, is it not.
Despite, Djonni, shouldn't the rules in live chess be changed to allow engine use as well? Because some people are using it. No? Thought not.
There are sites where you can compete online computerassisted. That is another diciplin of chess, and I think it can be interesting. I hope they who want to use computers play where it is allowed.
The advantage of having an analyseboard is so tiny that it doesnt change the game too much, and I will have no problem playing an opponent with an analyseboard. Maybe his rating and strenght is 50 higher than boardless, but thats ok. If its allowed, I too can choose to use it, so the match will be fair. If its illegal, only the cheater will use it, and the match will be slightly unfair.
It's a board, it's outside of chess.com!
The board isn't assisting the player with strategy. "Outside assistance", means someone or something tells you what moves to make. Setting up a board and using your own ideas and thoughts to come up with the next move is NOT assistance or cheating. If chess.com didn't want correspondence players to analyze positions by moving the pieces around with their own ideas, they wouldn't provide a tool to do so. They also allow users to access opening books to use on current games. Players can't do that in over the board games and I think THAT is cheating. Again, "outside assistance" means the player received ideas from someone or something to come up with the best move for the game/position at hand.
Yes, it would be unfair, and shame on the cheater in that case. But live chess is supposed to mimick (spelling?) otb chess as much as possible, so this rules change will never happen. I have posted a thread in help and support, as I am very much interested in setting this straight. Let's see if an admin cares to fill us in.
It's a board, it's outside of chess.com!
The board isn't assisting the player with strategy. "Outside assistance", means someone or something tells you what moves to make. Setting up a board and using your own ideas and thoughts to come up with the next move is NOT assistance or cheating. If chess.com didn't want correspondence players to analyze positions by moving the pieces around with their own ideas, they wouldn't provide a tool to do so. They also allow users to access opening books to use on current games. Players can't do that in over the board games and I think THAT is cheating. Again, "outside assistance" means the player received ideas from someone or something to come up with the best move for the game/position at hand.
its online chess
who cares
its online chess
who cares
You didn't just poke a bear with a stick, you just stabbed a den full of bears with a hunting knife. You will be lucky If you make it out alive. This will be a blood bath.
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In other words, You probably just pissed off a lot of people... Myself included; but I am a reserved person :)
Honestly, on a website dedicated to the sport of Chess, (one that is based online) and has a huge part of the website dedicated to online chess. That is a rather ignorant question. Its like walking into a hunting convention and asking "Why all this effort? Its only Hunting, who cares."
its online chess
who cares
Wow, so much unnecesarry hair-splitting and digression. In live chess it is okay to use a real board if it merely shows the current game position (no moving pieces around to analyze -- do this in your head). Using a physical board instead of the on-screen board is not getting "outside help".
I only read page one.
I think the rules must be changed, if you are not allowed to testmove on a board when playing livechess.
Because it is not possible to control, and all should have equal rights to tools.
I would never use such board, because my goal is to improve otb, for that reason I need to train my brain to visualize without bordmovingassitance.