it is cheating if play with bord?

People don't move the pieces with their mind?  Way too much cheating going on here.

Live chess is supposed to replicate OTB chess.  Online chess is supposed to be a correspondence experience.

So yes, having a second board to move the pieces around in OTB chess is not kosher.  So I'd call that cheating in live as well. I don't see what advantage you'd get merely from looking at a second board with the exact same position, so I wouldn't call that outside assistance.   You could make a rule against it, but I don't see how it confers an advantage.

Welcome to the internet?

It is in OTB and live chess (because analyzing on a second board allows a player to clearly see and evaluate possible future positions not accurately available by mental visualization alone).

FIDE Rule 12.3: "During play the players are forbidden to make use of any notes, sources of information or advice, or analyse on another chessboard."

Guys, is it okay if I go to the bathroom and load Stockfish on my phone during the World Open to help me with a couple of moves?

Definitely. I'd prefer the morse code method, though, it's a lot harder for them to catch you.

Olympian256 wrote: Moving the pieces around is not outside help either.

As this isn't possible in live chess nor in otb play which live chess is the equivalent of, it is clearly breaking the rules...

"In live chess I can use my opening book"

I think pretty much EVERYONE can agree that this violates the rules lol

Olympian256 wrote:

.In Live chess I can use my opening book

Now you've just admitted to cheating.

I like using a physical board while playing online or against a computer program.Also like using my Usb chessboard when it is compatible.I really do not see that I gain anything towards winning an online game by doing so.From my experiences I can tell that I am actually putting myself at a disadvantage by using a physical board because it is a distraction when time becomes a factor in an game.I usually find myself fogetting about the physical board towards the end of a match.

*Dramatic music intensifies.

I think that there ought to be an option for players who wat to concentrate on improving their ability at visualisation to be able to switch off permanently (with no way to restore) having the chess board displayed.

Also they ought to be able to have the list of moves permanently switched off too, and just see the last move that their opponent has made.

With their mighty visualisation skills they will simply remember all of the positions of all the games they are playing in their head and have no need to see anything but the move (in algebraic notation) of the last move their opponent made.

Aren't you simply talking about blindfold chess? You can do that here.

I don't think it's cheating if you have a real board where you simply copy the moves already done online. It's better for the eyes and nice to see. I don't understand where the unfair advantage is here.

Yes, and I think it's cheating if you move the pieces around (in live chess, in turn based it's like trying your next moves on your nice mahogany board in your villa before sending the letter to your opponent, therefore it's fine).

Of course it's impossible to know if your opponent is misbehaving and fooling around with an analysis board.

But what happened to good faith? I don not believe, like some people seem to do, that the majority of players cheat with engines, or use a side board during live chess to analyze different lines.

In fact I think this discussion i more or less hypotetical, and it started with the OP's question if it is at all allowed to keep a physical board that shows the exact position on the screen. (I would be very surprised if this isn't allowed.)

I will try to explain anyway in a simple way why the use of a side board to analyze in live chess cannot possibly be allowed.

Both players need a board, right? Player A only has the computer. The board on the screen is in fact a chess board, albeit the pieces are 2-dimensional.

Player B has made his physical board and pieces ready, he is mainly using it for the game, and matches the position on the screen. So far so good, but then they reach a complex pawn ending demanding a lot of calculation.

Player A is stuck playing the traditional way, trying to sort out the complexities.

Player B starts check out if the pawn break he has been planning is winning or not by playing ahead while his opponent is still thinking

Player A has no such help and loses miserably in an otherwise drawn game.

Now this wasn't a fair contest, and player B didn't win the game, because he started to play a completely different game with a new set of rules all of his own.

And the argument that live chess isn't that important and all friendly (on the internet?) apart from fide rated events is a poor one, as some people who do not play fide rated events take their games here seriously enough. It's all relative.

And let's try to keep "online chess" and "live chess" apart. We are discussing live chess here.

There's only one problem with your analogy.
How could player B know that his lines are winning?
Having a set up board doesn't give you any hint of the best possible moves.

If you play ahead using the board to analyze, it does give maybe even a tad more than a hint... depends on the position and the player's understanding.

I am actually lost at how it could give a hint. I'm even lost at how it could give an advantage.
The only unfair thing I can see here, is that one of the players are looking at a different position.
But since that position is just a hypothetical one that the player made up in their mind without an engine or books or any actual information written and addressed by others, I don't see how it is cheating.