Justice for Daniel Naroditsky

Justice will be an awkward demand to make if it transpires that he died slipping on his bathroom floor and cracking his head against the toilet bowl.

How many healthy 29 year old people do you know slipped and died on a bathroom floor? I'm serious, don't google it, answer truthfully. Anyways, let's say for the sake of your argument that that's what had transpired. Would it be because he had so much stress or maybe had taken too much prescription drugs that a freak accident like that happened? OR was it because it was an accidental overdose due to all the stress? Nobody knows as of yet, but what we DO know is that he was going through some crap because one of his chess idols bullied and accused him of cheating thinking his whole life reputation is now ruined. That's something to think about.

Everyone grieves differently... Some blame the bullies and some blame the ones who didn't show up enough for support. Depending on personal experiences. Anger is part of the grieving process and the blame game is usual. What has happened here is that Levy seems to have been a bit rage bated into making this video. Nobody said that he was a bad friend to Daniel yet he got triggered. I think it's only human to have self blame in situations like this and what could have been done differently even though there's probably nothing he could've done. Still he got triggered and felt the need to make this video switching the blame to the bully (totally understandable but still a bit much).

I worry for Dina Belenkaya more at this point who played one of the last games with Daniel and posted it right before the passing. While Gothamchess has already done 2 videos about this subject she's probably grieving for her friend so much it's hard to speak up. She doesn't get triggered because she was around and talked about the hard stuff in depth with Daniel when he was alive. She probably knows that she did everything to help & is more sad than anything else. I feel bad for both of them but I hope they process this as needed to keep going. But seriously Gothamchess should probably take a little break from videos as much as I enjoy them. I think what he needs mostly is time to heal and not get more triggered from more posts. We all need him in good strength to keep going strong!

Unfortunately all and any "Justice" wont actually bring Danya back. So I just want to be sure nobody else can be bullied by Kramnik anymore. But how exactly thats to be archieved, I'm not sure.

But maybe nothing at all must happen. Kramniks insanity is on a platter now, even worse than ever. He has not shown even the tiniest bit of empathy.

Well, DiggyDug04, if Kramnik is going to be held morally responsible regardless of how Naroditsky died then I stand corrected; demanding justice will be very easy.

I like Daniel Naroditsky but I couldn't help myself when you said don't Google it, and I do agree, Daniel should be seen as a very influencial and impactful Chess GM and also think that he would have became as (If not better) than Magnus at one point, here is the Google search though:

A healthy 29-year-old could die from a bathroom slip due to one or more of the following factors: 
Head injury: In a fall, a person could strike their head on the hard, unyielding surfaces common in bathrooms, such as tile floors, the edge of a bathtub, a toilet, or a sink. This can lead to a fatal traumatic brain injury.
Aneurysm or other pre-existing condition: A fall can potentially trigger a fatal event related to an underlying, undiagnosed health issue. For example, a sharp increase in blood pressure from the physical exertion of a fall could rupture an unknown aneurysm.
Intoxication: Alcohol or drug intoxication is a common risk factor for falls and can increase the risk of a fatal outcome by impairing judgment, coordination, and the ability to break a fall.
Vasovagal syncope: While straining on the toilet, some people can experience a sudden drop in blood pressure and heart rate. If this causes them to faint and fall, they could hit their head and suffer a fatal injury.

The question is not "how does", the question was "how many"? And the answer is VERY VERY rare.

About the post that triggered Levy... it's true it's totally distasteful under the circumstances and not considering the grieving friends. It's probably done from a perspective of trying to say to show up for each other while alive and not just after death. The thing is even when asked it's sometimes difficult to open up fully. And everyone is going through stuff of their own. It's hard to know who needs most help. Especially when people don't necessarily want to be dragged down with the all the pain someone else is going through. It's only human to try and look for uplifting company. It tends to be that misery attracts misery. And too much fuzzy caring can become overwhelming too and feels like pity. Being there doesn't have to be perfect or deep. Just hanging out can be enough. What makes a person depressed can be a summary of so many things that it's probably not one person's fault. As much as I dislike bullies and those who purposely trigger others when they shouldn't - I just don't like this cancel culture. It's piling up bad things and it won't bring anyone back.

If it is actually a bathroom slip and nothing else there's nothing anyone could have done about it. Still it's good to have discussions about mental health and also what bullying can do to people. Just to remind us to take care of ourselves and others as much we can. But not to beat ourselves up too much or get rage bated over irrelevant stuff. Especially over speculations. Sometimes it's good to wait before reacting prematurely. The internet allows too early public reactions in my opinion without a proper time period to investigate things before making assumptions.

I thought it wasn't a bathroom slip

The whole point I'm making is this: There's NO WAY a young healthy intelligent 29 year old chess grandmaster can slip and fall on a bathroom floor like that UNLESS he was under the influence of prescription drugs that he was taking because he was suffering from depression due to bullying.

That would be really weird if it was a toilet that got him. Kramnik was accused of cheating by going to the toilet too often. I am not trying to make a joke here, just making an observation.

Kramnik definately got in his head and we could tell he was very unstable toward the end. Kramnik caused Naroksy an unfair amount of stress, and must be stopped. Whether this was suicide, Overdose, or slipping in the bathroom, Kramnik ruined this bright young man and if he minded his own business this might not have happened.

The only other tragic scenarios I can think of are a car accident, which is not likely since it would have been on local news already, a self-inflicted harm, which could have happened, accidental overdose, which is very possible, or murdered by an ex-girlfriend. Like I said before, slipping and falling on a bathroom floor is VERY unlikely, especially to a young healthy intelligent 29 year old.

"That would be really weird if it was a toilet that got him."........ not really. If you strain yourself while taking a crap too much, you can pop a blood vessel.

I forgot about the whole "toiletgate" incident where Kramink's opponent accused him of cheating by going to the toilet too frequently. Yes that scenario of him slipping and falling on a toilet would be REALLY weird, but like I said before, VERY unlikely.

If we are now going to be hiding people morally responsible for things. Keep in mind.... We will now have to be willing to perform a citizens arrest on any misdemeamor we see. We will now be required to slap a cigarette out of someone's hand. Justice is great until it requires "me" getting involved.

Huh no not that LMFAO do you really just wanna do the most extreme thing and yes something should happen to kramnik it sounds like your kinda missing the point it's not moral responsibility or anything kramnik actually did target and harm people(to get attention)

Depends on what someone's definition of "justice" is. Why is my post extreme? But demanding justice for alleged bullying isn't? You can insult me all you want and it won't phase me. In fact I'll forgive you. But someone else and all it takes is a comment like: "I dont like your post.". And someone will claim bullying.

Kramnik wasn't bullying tho it was harassment(actually worse )