Kasparov Murders Fischer!

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WhiteKnight56 wrote:

The first rook sac had to be speculative


Actually, Kasparov himself came to my country today to give a talk on that very game(plus play a few blitz games and a simul), and I was present.  During the talk, he said that he actually managed to vaguely see the final position. Surprised Of course there was some intuition involved, but he also managed to more or less calculate that far ahead. Amazing...

TBMandalorian
Niven42 wrote:

I know!  I was like, Kramnik, that high on the list?

 

Is he really that disciplined?


Sure he is.Winkhttp://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3509

ilikeflags

to the OP: whew, thanks for clearing that up.  all this time i thought fischer would win, but nope, he'd be dead.  what a relief.

WhiteKnight56
TBMandalorian wrote:
Niven42 wrote:

I know!  I was like, Kramnik, that high on the list?

 

Is he really that disciplined?


Sure he is.http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3509


I retract my comment.  Kramnik probably is remarkably disciplined and focussed.

Here's Wikipedia on the subject:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods_for_comparing_top_chess_players_throughout_history

Actual moves played compared with computer choices

A computer-based method of analyzing chess abilities across history came from Matej Guid and Ivan Bratko from the Department of Computer and Information Science of University of Ljubljana, Slovenia, in 2006.[19] The basis for their evaluation was the difference between the position values resulting from the moves played by the human chess player and the moves chosen as best by a chess program, Crafty. They also compared the average number of errors in the player's game. Opening moves were excluded, in an attempt to negate the progress in chess opening theory. According to their analysis, the leader was José Raúl Capablanca, followed closely by Vladimir Kramnik.

The "Classical" World Chess Championship matches were analyzed, and the results for the fourteen Classical World Champions were presented.

Players with fewest average errors:

So perhaps the question shoudl really be, "What's the relationship between fewest errors and success?"  And I'd guess the answer's not that straightforward.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mimchi

Anyone who truly understands chess history knows Kasparov was stronger than Fischer. Kasparov is a machine ... Unlimited opening knowledge, one of the most creative middlegame players ever - and very strong in the endgame. Kasparov also had the theory of another 50 years behind him that Fischer didn't.

orangehonda

It was nice of Mimchi to share his true understanding with us, the witless masses Tongue out

TheOldReb
Mimchi wrote:

Anyone who truly understands chess history knows Kasparov was stronger than Fischer. Kasparov is a machine ... Unlimited opening knowledge, one of the most creative middlegame players ever - and very strong in the endgame. Kasparov also had the theory of another 50 years behind him that Fischer didn't.


 Please explain to me how Kasparov had 50 years extra theory behind him ?  I mean Fischer's peak was 1972 and Kasparov became WC in 1985 ( thats NOT 50 years later ) and even if you say Kasparov didnt peak until the 90s I still dont get 50 years. Are you using that new math perhaps ? 

TheOldReb
tonydal wrote:

Jeez Reb, I was wondering when you were gonna show up (with all these Kasparov whippersnappers 'n all)...


 I was attending anger management classes...... sorry. 

kco
Reb wrote:
tonydal wrote:

Jeez Reb, I was wondering when you were gonna show up (with all these Kasparov whippersnappers 'n all)...


 I was attending anger management classes...... sorry. 


 Does that mean your position is vacant now for someone else to say "Hogwash" and "Stop the Hates"  ?