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KASPAROV VS CARLSEN WHO CAN DESTROY THE OTHER ??

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Nizman

Guys whom do u think can destroy the other on a chess board!!

MrDamonSmith

At this time I would say carlsen in a best of 20 game match. Kaspy has a ton of match experience and carlsen has none but kaspt hasn't played. Tournaments in 7 years

SmyslovFan

Carlsen has yet to prove himself in a match. While Carlsen's rating is truly historic, he needs to win the world championship in a match before I'd give the edge to Carlsen against Kasparov circa 2000.

Today, Carlsen would win in a cakewalk. If Kasparov were to agree to a match in November/December, it would be a toss-up because Kasparov would have time to prepare and the desire to win.

The current world champion, Anand, is a more realistic test in November/December. That will be a really close match!

ajmeroski

As far as I know, Carlsen didn't won the Candidates yet, so I wouldn't be so sure it "will" be a really close match.

Nizman

U are only saying carlsen because of his new record! But look at kasparov's variations in most annotated games the guy is a pure breathn computer! i dont see any game by carlsen that impressed me! Mayb name one.. As 4 kasparov, check out his crash against the great karpov world chapionships or against topalov 1999. I dont c carlsen surviving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ajmeroski

Maybe more exclamation marks would help him survive.

SmyslovFan
ajmeroski wrote:

As far as I know, Carlsen didn't won the Candidates yet, so I wouldn't be so sure it "will" be a really close match.

The Candidates' tournament is unfairly weighted in Carlsen's favor. If he had to play Aronian or Kramnik in a match, the outcome would be less certain. Carlsen merely has to beat the bottom half of the tournament by a larger margin than anyone else to win. He's the prohibitive favorite in such a set-up, which is part of why he agreed to play! 

So yeah, I passed right over the Candidates' tournament. Sadly, I don't give Aronian or Kramnik much of a chance to outperform Carlsen in such a tournament, even though I like Kramnik's chances against him in a longer match.

ajmeroski

I think everything may happen, especially considering there won't be that much of Elo difference as in, for example, Tata Steel, where Carlsen is beating every (at least) theoretically weaker opponent (his only Candidates'-level (elo-wise) win being vs Karjakin). I don't know, I just always think that nothing is certain in tournaments, where the best players are playing (altough I gotta admit I don't know in what form are some of them).

SameOldFears

What happens if Carlsen plays a draw against Anand in the World Championship?

eddysallin
Nizman wrote:

U are only saying carlsen because of his new record! But look at kasparov's variations in most annotated games the guy is a pure breathn computer! i dont see any game by carlsen that impressed me! Mayb name one.. As 4 kasparov, check out his crash against the great karpov world chapionships or against topalov 1999. I dont c carlsen surviving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          As for whose better debate.....i don't know.But age,the window of a chess players peak years and chess mojo(flair,win draw games) are all in Carlsens favor.The next 5 years he will rewrite chess history.

SmyslovFan

If the match is drawn, it goes to faster time controls for tie breaks. I'm not sure if the 2013 match is completely set, but you can see what the requirements were in the Gelfand-Anand match.

Pre_VizsIa

I think Carlsen would win the rapid tie-breaks.

Elubas

Well, I think an event should favor the better player! That's a good thing in my book. We want to know who's good enough to face Vishy.

It's true, match play is different than tournament play. I personally believe it makes more sense to judge a person based on them playing a variety of different people, as one particular bad match-up might not mean much.

I believe Roger Federer has lost more serious matches to Rafa Nadal more than those which he won against him. Does that mean Nadal is the better player? Not necessarily -- after all, Federer often does well against players Nadal has a tough time with, and vice versa. I mean, it's not hard to have a pure way of playing that some particular player will do badly against -- if you are a great defensive player, you might do well against certain types of people, maybe very aggressive players who try for too much, but part of your success will rely on the opponent's playing style not matching up well with yours. And those same aggressive players might beat a lot of players that you wouldn't normally beat.

However, if this defensive style was generally good against a wide variety of different styles (naturally, there could be a few outliers), that would say a lot more about the player, in my opinion. I consider rating to be somewhat of an average in that way -- some players Carlsen will do better against, some he will have more trouble against, but when you factor everything in, the average results, reflected in his rating, are pretty darn impressive.

fissionfowl
Nizman wrote:

i dont see any game by carlsen that impressed me! 

Man... talk about being tough to please!

Elubas

To put it lightly -- I'd just say asinine lol.

hakim2005

carlsen is very very good player but i don't like his style of play

Nizman

@Hakim u ryt :) finally sum1 agrees with me.

MrDamonSmith

More exclamation marks, that's fuggin funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1RedKnight99

Kasparov at his peak vs. Carlsen right now- Kasparov wins because Carlsen seems to be better at tournaments than matches.

Kasparov right now vs. Carlsen right now- Carlsen wins.

chessmaster102
MrDamonSmith wrote:

At this time I would say carlsen in a best of 20 game match. Kaspy has a ton of match experience and catlsen has none but kaspt hasn't played. Tournaments in 7 years

he still plays with his coaches and trainers in off hand game regularly and there all GM's