Kasparov's Anger

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Alex_Kovach

Nice Pogar sisters.... Bad mean nasty Kasparov! Phooey on Gary!

http://files.chesscomfiles.com/images_users/tiny_mce/billwall/karpov_sisters.jpg

Alex_Kovach

http://www.theipinionsjournal.com/uploaded_images/kasparov-713086.jpg

Gary being a jackass again....

Nezhmetdinov

HERE IS THE SOURCE, FOR EVERYONE WHO IS ASKING

END GAME, by Dominic Lawson, chapter 2, page 22, line 13(I quote): ...when he was asked his opinion of the chessplaying talent of the Hungarian girl prodigy Judit Polgar, who was taught nothing but chess from infancy by an obsessive father, Kasparov described her as a 'trained dog'.


This is false and unfair in so many levels.

The Polgar father thought that genius was a question of nurture and not genetic (as we would say nowadays). He thought that anyone could excell at a given field if given enough hardwork in it.

So, reportedly, he went for a newspaper add, expressed his views on the subject and asked for a willing woman to be his partner. A nurse answered back and they choose to make their children (they ended up being the Polgar sisters) experts at chess. In order for make their experience to suceed they also chose to home-school their children since they believed that normal education wasn't good enough to raise children. The girls learned all that normal kids had to learn (plus chess, esperanto and I also think that all of the sisters are polyglots).

If anything anyone that excells at any given field of human endeavour can be said to be a trained dog. As Edison said: "Genius is one percent inspiration, ninety-nine percent perspiration."

Alex_Kovach

Judit Polgar - Hungarian Genius...

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Kernicterus

that's a lovely picture of Judit.

Alex_Kovach
AfafBouardi wrote:

that's a lovely picture of Judit.


I though so too... I copied it from another forum on chess.com "Greatest chess photos".... Check it out, there are some really amazing photos there....

Alex_Kovach
JetSetter wrote:

Lawson's book was published in 1994. The quote is over 15 years old. Why is any of this an issue? whoop-dee-doo.


Because (pay attention now) Gary is bad bad man and Judit is a sweet and wonderful Hungarian Genius. I'm so glad that I could straighten that out for you...

atomichicken
JetSetter wrote:
Alex_Kovach wrote:

Because (pay attention now) Gary is bad bad man and Judit is a sweet and wonderful Hungarian Genius. I'm so glad that I could straighten that out for you...


Exhibit A on why chess.com needs an "Add to Ignore List" feature...


So you don't take too kindly to light hearted comments then.. Undecided

J_adoubious
kenmack wrote:

Kasparov is a russian blowhard.  Pay no attention to his words, they are meaningless.


First off, he is not a RUSSIAN blowhard(1).  If anything he is an Armenian blowhard by his mother, and comes from Azerbaijan not Russia.  Second, as a product of the Soviet system the pot is definitely calling a kettle black regarding who might be described as a trained animal.  Third, it is fairly obvious, to me at least, that no mere trained dog ever becomes one of the world's top 10 players or the youngest Grandmaster in history (at the time) and by the usual norm process, I believe, not by the shortcut of honorary award as was the case when Fischer achieved that feat, becoming an IM by virtue of appearing at Potoroz and GM by virtue of qualifying in the top 6 for the next event, Bled 1959.   Fourth, Judith Polgar has a highly active tactical style that can hardly be described as mechanical or rote, and like Tal (and Kasparov for that matter) she can execute it successfully against the best players in the world.  So, if he said this "for the record" and not in some offhand situation better ignored, he spoke both obnoxiously and stupidly.  We can speculate as to his motivation, chauvinism, envy, etc but whatever, the great man was clearly full of caviar well past its prime on this topic.

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(1) Reminds me of the Fischer story from Bled 1961 when he announced his intention to beat the four Russians (i.e. Soviets) present.  It was pointed out that he had not played any Russians but rather a Latvian(Tal), Estonian(Keres), Armenian(Petrosian) and a Ukrainian (Geller) when he replied "You're all Russians to me!".  Fischer nearly succeeded with 3.5 out of 4 (Keres drew) but Tal won the event by a full point over second place and undefeated Fischer by virtue of pounding the lower half of the chart (9.5/10 vs 7/10) even harder than Fischer had pounded the upper half (6.5/9 vs  5/9 including Tal's only loss). (see http://www.rookhouse.com/events/bled1961.html)

Diomed

He's still a humanitarian compared to Fischer...

Alex_Kovach
JetSetter wrote:
Alex_Kovach wrote:

Because (pay attention now) Gary is bad bad man and Judit is a sweet and wonderful Hungarian Genius. I'm so glad that I could straighten that out for you...


Exhibit A on why chess.com needs an "Add to Ignore List" feature...


You can say that again Jetsetter!

LoneWolfEburg

" It was pointed out that he had not played any Russians but rather a Latvian(Tal)"

Tal was a Latvian Jew.

phishcake5
HotFlow wrote:

So has she gone on to prove him wrong? 


 He was proved wrong by common sense before the words came out of his mouth Gary just didn't stop to listen.

J_adoubious
LoneWolfEburg wrote:

" It was pointed out that he had not played any Russians but rather a Latvian(Tal)"

Tal was a Latvian Jew.


You have point to make here?  Is Jew still a separate nationality, in your mind, wherever it occurs?  That Tal was a Jew is not surprising since Jews seem to be "over-represented" in most intellectual endeavors and in the Baltic states, that along with most of the western Russian (later Soviet) empire, were part of the pale of settlement in which Jews were confined under the Czars, apparently to make sure that the Jews got the the first of it and the worst of it should some western power come a-invading again as Napoleon did, and the Germans would do twice later.  For that matter, MOST of the great Soviet players from 1948-on were Jews, in whole or part, and the rest (e.g. Keres, Petrosian) were not Russians, much to the embarrassment of the Kremlin.  This would seem to account for the chicanery involved in promoting Anatoly Karpov, the first credible, ostensibly non-Jewish, and Russian contender that the Soviet system would ever produce.

You also forgot to mention that Geller was a Ukrainian Jew.

mattattack99
Minzz0 wrote:

Kasparov is the best period, whatever he says goes.


I agree. Even though Kasparov can go over the top sometimes, he is a good guy.

Elysium123

kasparov sounds like my kind of guy :<

TheOldReb
J_adoubious wrote:
kenmack wrote:

Kasparov is a russian blowhard.  Pay no attention to his words, they are meaningless.


First off, he is not a RUSSIAN blowhard(1).  If anything he is an Armenian blowhard by his mother, and comes from Azerbaijan not Russia.  Second, as a product of the Soviet system the pot is definitely calling a kettle black regarding who might be described as a trained animal.  Third, it is fairly obvious, to me at least, that no mere trained dog ever becomes one of the world's top 10 players or the youngest Grandmaster in history (at the time) and by the usual norm process, I believe, not by the shortcut of honorary award as was the case when Fischer achieved that feat, becoming an IM by virtue of appearing at Potoroz and GM by virtue of qualifying in the top 6 for the next event, Bled 1959.   Fourth, Judith Polgar has a highly active tactical style that can hardly be described as mechanical or rote, and like Tal (and Kasparov for that matter) she can execute it successfully against the best players in the world.  So, if he said this "for the record" and not in some offhand situation better ignored, he spoke both obnoxiously and stupidly.  We can speculate as to his motivation, chauvinism, envy, etc but whatever, the great man was clearly full of caviar well past its prime on this topic.

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(1) Reminds me of the Fischer story from Bled 1961 when he announced his intention to beat the four Russians (i.e. Soviets) present.  It was pointed out that he had not played any Russians but rather a Latvian(Tal), Estonian(Keres), Armenian(Petrosian) and a Ukrainian (Geller) when he replied "You're all Russians to me!".  Fischer nearly succeeded with 3.5 out of 4 (Keres drew) but Tal won the event by a full point over second place and undefeated Fischer by virtue of pounding the lower half of the chart (9.5/10 vs 7/10) even harder than Fischer had pounded the upper half (6.5/9 vs  5/9 including Tal's only loss). (see http://www.rookhouse.com/events/bled1961.html)


 Actually, I believe Fischer became an IM when he won the US closed championship for the first time in 1957 at age 14.

gabrielconroy

cunny_funt:  Take a look at some of Kramnik's earlier games - he followed a very strong, tactically imaginative style that showcases his talent. Only relatively recently has he played in this extremely strategical, positional manner. Check out this game against Leko from the 2001 Linares:

 

KingPan

Ive read many articles of Kasparov being sexist-this article is like the 4th article on kasparovs sexist behaviour ive read about.

ARIMNISTOS

WELL,HE SHOULDNT SAY THESE WORDS.AFTER ALL HE IS ALSO A TRAINED DOG.IN POLITICS.TRAINED BY GEORGE SOROS AND THE JEWS.