- IQ and success in your life are hardly related!!
- IQ and your chess playing ability are somewhat related!!
- IQ and your problem-solving skills are greatly related!!
- Finally, IQ and your "smartness" are not related at all because "smartness" is just a very relative word and is defined differently for different people.
Kasparov's IQ and chess skill
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Yes Spatial ability, what we use to mentially manipulate 2D and 3D objects in our mind, would be the best indicator of calculating power in chess. There are probably a lot of chess players with average IQ's but high Spatial ability, Memory, or a high combination of the two which along with dedicated work contributes to their great success in chess. Having just a high IQ wouldn't necessarily mean they were high in either or both those categories although I wouldn't be surprised if many are. Most of the elite chess players seem fairly intelligent individuals for example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qMKGuel6OQ Basically that.
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pdve wrote:
I think I read somewhere that the German magazine Der Spiegel subjected Kasparov to a battery of IQ tests conducted professionally and running into several hours.
His IQ came out to be 130!?
On the other hand, his chess skill is very different.
When he was an unrated youngster, due to an oversight on the Russian Chess Federation's part, they sent him by mistake to a GM tournament in place of Victor Korchnoi because he was unavailable. Kasparov took 1st place and got a provisional rating of 2587!!
What is the explanation for this discrepancy?
This was the original guestion, did it contain false information? Is 130 high IQ? Is 2587 so high rating that if chess skill and IQ have a connection it would be impossible or at least unlikely?
Can anyone prove, or does anyone even think that
1. IQ is same as intelligence
2. intelligence is same as chess skill
I think not
so ,if
IQ is not same as intelligence
intelligence is not same as chess skill
then IQ is not same as chess skill
therefore the "problem" about Kasparovs IQ and chess skill isnt really a problem at all, and doesn't even need to be explained, its only natural
By the way im not very smart myself, so forgive me possible flaws in that logic(but I do think im good at this kind of stuff, youre welcome to prove me wrong). English is not my native language so there might be some grammar errors, I hope you understand what I'm saying anyway
everything cool.
But chess i would use as one meassure of intelligence because people strive and compete for it and logical would have it that intelligence is necessary.
Iq is very artificial. Also invented not by the brightest of the bright, to think they found a way to meassure something as complex as intelligence and also the intelligence of people smarter than them is hard to believe.
Not to mention that those that popularize the iq tests are the one that mostly equate intelligence to pure knowledge as you also saw in the movie clip. Even though he said intelligence is not quantifiable.
besisdes my english is even worth and im even less smart... but still i believe its as i say
ZeroSymbolic7188 wrote:
All IQ indicates is your ability to learn. It has nothing to do with your actual knowledge. In short having a high IQ just means that you can read a book or listen to a lecture and understand it very easily.
I don't agree. The three different tests I took all contained problems designed to test your creative abilities. Whether or not they are successful in doing so, I don't know, (but that wasn't what you were referring to, right?) but in my opinion, there is definitely more to "them" than just putting your memorative powers to the test.
Psychologist Howard Garndener once said "Ask not am I smart, but in what way am I smart."
He was the man behind mutiple intelligences theory.
http://www.businessballs.com/howardgardnermultipleintelligences.htm
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i just recently had an IQ test and there are many types of "intelligence test" on it like spatial intelligence, mechanical, logical, mathematical, etc.. All are 1-50 my highest score is the logical intelligence part whith only one mistake and the lowst is in mechanical with around 33 mistakes.. I dnt know the formula but the result shows i have an IQ of 104 which is above average.. IQ is the total average of those intelligence test.. And i belive IQ test is overated, as one of my professor said Intelligence is measured by how well ur judgement is.. Not by memory but more of logical creativity
Those who claim IQ is *the* measure of intelligence are obviously idiots. But those claiming IQ has absolutely no relation with some "general intelligence" package are idiots too.
I would guess a graph of chess rating as a function of IQ to look like the next one (taken from some random website), which means : some positive correlation but a lot of scatter.
the ability to learn to learn is more important than the ability to learn
shockinn that is an awesome example
kasparov iq is 30000
this knowledge vs ability to learn argument is futile.
if someone has knowledge it is implicit they had the ability to absorb knowledge and if someone has the ability to learn they will automatically acquire knowledge.
pdve wrote:
...if someone has the ability to learn they will automatically acquire knowledge.
Um.
I need an adult! 
chess_gg wrote:
pdve wrote:
this knowledge vs ability to learn argument is futile.
if someone has knowledge it is implicit they had the ability to absorb knowledge and if someone has the ability to learn they will automatically acquire knowledge.
I think that that is rather well said.
Intelligence, an aptitude to innovate and create, to resolve complex problems and add to that knowledge...a cornucopia of values and solutions passed on from others, living or dead...now we are functioning on all cylinders.
Someone on one of these threads said: "Oh, I don't read books." He was, by the implication, proud of this feat. One of the major differences between us and the lower animal species is extracranial knowledge. What a shame it is, IMO, not to use it.
yes and even though its fun to have knowledge, knowledge without means to use it properly is inpotence.
You know there is a funny story i heard as a kid. (probably from some famous play i dont know=
there was a rich man he had 4 sons, he gave each of some an equal amount of money and said keep it save for such and such time.
One time he comes back and ask the first son, what have you done with the money?
Well i have invested it and had made really much money with it.
the father said: that is great im proud of you.
the father asked the next son and the son replies: well i brough it to the bank and got interest.
father says: thats good thats good.
the father asked the third son and the son replies: oh i tried an investment and lost all my money.
father says: that good, thats good keep you head up.
when the father goes to the last son, he asks the same and the son replied:
Well i hide it at some place and i still have the same amount of money.
the father gets really angry and says: you idiot, how could you do that, i never trust you again.