Knights vs. Rooks?

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There's always a possibilty!!! well... that is unless you have your wimpy king against their 6 queens! Then, all hope is lost! Unless it's a time battle

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no because I would have just promoted my other pawn ! Tongue out

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THEN WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!?!?!  :)

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I HAVE NO IDEA !!

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There are some endgames in which a strongly posted, centralized knight is as effective as an opponent's rook and can hold its own against it. But these are special positions. Worth a try if you are an exchange down and losing.

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ADK wrote:
kco wrote:

On move  20.Nxd6 I was surprise not to see cxd6 instead you went for Rxd6 why not cxd6 ? so you can keep at least a rook and a knight ?


Well, I heard that a long time Knights are better at Endgames compared to most pieces so I decided to test it out in this game. I guess that statement is false and I will never do that ever again. LOL

ADK


 This question really makes me wonder, don't you know the basic, basics?

a pawn is a pawn, a knight and a bihop is worth 3 pawns, a rook is worth 5 pawns and a queen is around 9 pawns.

This walues will change in different type of positions, but they are the basic numbers.

So when you ask your self: "is a knight better than a rook (actually 2 knigths vs 2 rooks)" 3-5, ok I lose 2 pawns.

As I said, the numbers changes with the current position, when is a knight worth more than a rook?

-In a closed position wiht other pices to attack with, a knight can walk where a rook can't defend.

But in a endgame the best thing you can hope for with a knigth vs a rook is a draw (equal pawns)

If you have the knight and 2 connected pawns you could go for the win.

 

 

 

 

 

 

In this position the knight is worth the exchange. (rughly I havent calculated much)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But in this position, the knight would lose against the rook.

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two rooks are 9 times out of ten better than two knights. two knights cant get you a forced win. however i have lost a lot of endgames because of the pesky fork

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pskogli wrote:
ADK wrote:
kco wrote:

On move  20.Nxd6 I was surprise not to see cxd6 instead you went for Rxd6 why not cxd6 ? so you can keep at least a rook and a knight ?


Well, I heard that a long time Knights are better at Endgames compared to most pieces so I decided to test it out in this game. I guess that statement is false and I will never do that ever again. LOL

ADK


 This question really makes me wonder, don't you know the basic, basics?

a pawn is a pawn, a knight and a bihop is worth 3 pawns, a rook is worth 5 pawns and a queen is around 9 pawns.

This walues will change in different type of positions, but they are the basic numbers.

So when you ask your self: "is a knight better than a rook (actually 2 knigths vs 2 rooks)" 3-5, ok I lose 2 pawns.

As I said, the numbers changes with the current position, when is a knight worth more than a rook?

-In a closed position wiht other pices to attack with, a knight can walk where a rook can't defend.

But in a endgame the best thing you can hope for with a knigth vs a rook is a draw (equal pawns)

If you have the knight and 2 connected pawns you could go for the win.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In this position the knight is worth the exchange. (rughly I havent calculated much)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But in this position, the knight would lose against the rook.


Yeah, thank you for the point values of the pieces and those interesting diagrams. In a typical position, I still REALLY do think that a Knight will out do a Rook in terms of position and tactical plays. Although, the Rooks can line up creating an invisible barrier and they make a powerful combination when stacked on top of one another in an open game. The Knight, likewise, can work very well in pairs making them an effective aresnal in a closed game.

ADK

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If you think that a knight outplays a rook by tactical means, you should study tactics, it's common among rookies to be afraid of knights, but you should really fear the rooks more :)

A nice way to study the knight and it's behaviour is to solve the following "puzzle":

'Pretend that the kings are gone, Move the knight (in your mind) from a1 to a2, b2,c2,d2,e2 and all the way up to h8, when you find that this is no problem, you will not fear knights som much, but your opponents may fear yours :)

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thank you for your advice, now ADK should be afraid of me soon !

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I would add that you can't checkmate with only a knight and a king, but you can easily (if you know how) with a rook and a king

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schlagle wrote:

I would add that you can't checkmate with only a knight and a king, but you can easily (if you know how) with a rook and a king


Well, the Knights and Rooks both have their strengths and weaknesses, but can any one else provide an actual example from one of their own/GM games that would show that one is superior over the other?

ADK