JuniorS-B wrote:
And he is one of the top 5 players all time in bullet I'd say. So he is obviously good at chess. Without an engine.
No doubts. And?
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Oct 28, 2024
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#44
basketstorm wrote:
b) "it's a violation to use the engine to analyze the position you're playin" -- sure that's what he violated and admitted that and apologized. Speedrun or not, that's a violation.
You said he cheated right here, dunce.
My point is he wasn't analyzing the position currently on the board, he was analyzing move 8 while OTB it was move 20 something. Your claim is that he committed a violation i.e. cheated. You said that right here.
But like Kramnik you immediately back away the moment your accusations are discredited. And then move on to the next "super-suspicious incident" which was suspicious to no one except you, Kramnik, and other low elo (360) individuals looking for an excuse for why they're so bad at the game.
JuniorS-B wrote:
That is reason enough to not suspect him.
No. And also because he is a good educator, a handsome man - also not a reason to not to suspect him. You know that some titled players and GMs do cheat. No one is a priory innocent. No one can be trusted online.
ibrust wrote:
You said he cheated right here, dunce.
Stop lying and stop insulting me. This is not a place for insults. I am reporting you for this.
Oct 28, 2024
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#47
Quoting you verbatim is apparently "lying about you". You seem to live in a world of lies - maybe you should get worked up for that paranoia. If a mod comes into this thread and reads it they will probably delete your posts for making cheating accusations and thank me for shunning your public misconduct.
And also stop manipulating like this: claim is that he committed a violation i.e. cheated
Because not every violation is cheating. And Danya himself agreed that it is a violation, somehow you disagree even with Danya.
ibrust wrote:
If a mod comes into this thread and reads it they will probably delete your posts for making cheating accusations and thank me for shunning your public misconduct.
I have never accused anyone but you must be punished for insulting me, this is not allowed, read community policy.
Oct 28, 2024
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#50
So then let's just assume everyone cheats. You cheat, I cheat. Magnus cheats, Kramnik cheats. Everyone cheats. Online chess is dead. Why do you play if everyone cheats? There is no point.
By any standard, I cannot prove my cheating innocence online. Neither can you. Neither can Kramnik. Neither can Danya, or anyone. It's dead. Chess can only be OTB folks, and if it's OTB, nobody cares?
JuniorS-B wrote:
So then let's just assume everyone cheats. You cheat, I cheat. Magnus cheats, Kramnik cheats. Everyone cheats. Online chess is dead. Why do you play if everyone cheats? There is no point.
By any standard, I cannot prove my cheating innocence online. Neither can you. Neither can Kramnik. Neither can Danya, or anyone. It's dead. Chess can only be OTB folks, and if it's OTB, nobody cares?
Exactly.
Oct 28, 2024
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#52
So then you should just close your chess.com account, because there is no point for it existing.
Oct 28, 2024
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#53
A fair play violation and cheating are synonymous in any meaningful sense. Your argument is either a) completely meaningless, inwhich case I don't know why you're even arguing, b) that Danya cheated.
Actually, I do disagree with Danya and so does this website, since they've made a public statement specifically stating Danyas conduct did not violate the rules.
JuniorS-B wrote:
So then you should just close your chess.com account, because there is no point for it existing.
Why? I can still participate in discussions and use other features apart from online pvp.
Oct 28, 2024
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#55
Suit yourself. If you aren't willing to play people because they must be cheating, idk why you even play in the first place.
JuniorS-B wrote:
Suit yourself. If you aren't willing to play people because they must be cheating, idk why you even play in the first place.
I don't play online pvp. And you should not.
Oct 28, 2024
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#57
bossybwudx wrote:
ibrust wrote:
Danya used the engine to analyze move 8 of the game while he was on move 20. He was not analyzing the position after the queen was donated, that was not the critical position in the game. You said what he did was cheating. So if analyzing a position that isn't on the board isn't cheating what argument do you have? He didn't cheat and that's obvious, end of discussion.
I was watching along to this debate, and about 4 comments ago, you claimed that you would stop responding.
I put it to you that you are aware that basketstorm has a strong point. You can't really dispute it. So what do you do? You launch personal attacks about ratings and threaten to run
Your post is a good example for why I am shunning these allegations - public stupidity spreads like a virus. The moment someone disproves one of these allegations you people claim you never accused anyone and you move to something else - we can't be burdened playing whack-a-mole and whacking endlessly every one of these arguments that pop up, what we need to do is publicly shame you imbeciles until you stop spreading this mind-virus.
There has been no strong point - what is the strong point? You alluded to one, but you didn't mention what it was.
It is obvious from watching Danyas stream what he was doing. It was not suspicious, it did not raise doubts in my mind or the minds of most others. No one believes Danya did anything problematic, not even you... so your point is what? Kramnik was completely wrong. I was right from the beginning, because I knew Danya didn't cheat all along, as did most of us.
You were both completely wrong. What more is there to say about it?
JuniorS-B wrote:
And he is one of the top 5 players all time in bullet I'd say. So he is obviously good at chess. Without an engine.
That is the issue. Kramnik is insinuating that Danya's ELO is inflated due to computer cheating.
Oct 28, 2024
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#59
Please tell me how to cheat at bullet chess.
Also, I have gotten to be a 2100ish player because I almost exclusively play other people. That is how you get experience. Bots are not good simulations of reality. They are programmed to blunder.
Also, I drew non-smurfed Mittens twice. Your score was?
Artful_Chess_Dodger wrote:
JuniorS-B wrote:
And he is one of the top 5 players all time in bullet I'd say. So he is obviously good at chess. Without an engine.
That is the issue. Kramnik is insinuating that Danya's ELO is inflated due to computer cheating.
Danya himself admitted that his rating is inflated, not because of cheating of course. But even that proves that Kramnik was not "completely" wrong. He had valid reasons to suspect Danya. That's my point. Everyone say Kramnik is just paranoid and attacked Danya randomly. No, he had reasons. I myself don't think Danya is a cheater but I don't think Kramnik is paranoid either, his line of thinking is completely sane, he is directed by pure logic.
Of course you did - you said having the engine running during the game is cheating, even if you're not analyzing the current position.
Outright lie and manipulation. I did not say "even if you're not analyzing the current position", that's your interpretation. From my previous posts it is clear that I understand the situation with engine usage in all details and it's clear that by running I meant starting it to analyze the ongoing game.
but you clearly said Danya was cheating.
Do you think lying will make your points valid or what? What is this? Is this your way of debating? Very low level. Much lower than Elo in my profile lol.
ou know, because he's actually contributing something
I never said Danya is not contributing or that Danya is bad or that Danya is a cheater. You have a distorted perception of my posts.
Danya used the engine to analyze move 8 of the game while he was on move 20. You said what he did was cheating. If this isn't cheating then what argument do you have? He didn't cheat and that's obvious, end of discussion.
I didn't say he was cheating, stop lying really.