Kramnik is stronger then magnus

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nebunulpecal

Now if some crazy tie-break system (the winner is the player who lost most games) was used to determine the winner in this tournament, FIDE should be consistent and NOT use rapid games in the World title match in case of a tie between Anand and Carlsen.

varelse1
blueemu wrote:
GreedyPawnGrabber wrote:
Rasparovov wrote:

Cheap tricks against 2700+.

 What if not a cheap trick is his win against Radjabov?  Poor Radja knew the endgame is a draw but just didn't have enough time.

A Grandmaster losing because he ran out of time is just as much to blame as a driver who had an accident because he was drunk.

Well. I WAS drunk......

Tongue Out

MSC157

In case of tie, Anand should win, and no tie-breaks! :)

varelse1
BloodyJack wrote:

Let's put this to rest; Carlsen had a relatively bad tournament and won, Kramnik had a damn good tournament and came second.

What I've been saying for months now.

Magnus, on his worst day, is still better than any other GM, on their best day.

Sunofthemorninglight
SmyslovFan wrote:

The primary goal of the Candidates tournament is to select the best candidate for the world championship match. If it entertains too, great. If it doesn't, too bad. Yes, the tournament was a great, exciting tournament. But the tournament did not decisively select the better player between Kramnik and Carlsen. A ten game match between the two would have settled the question.

gee this bloke is such a bad loser. must have had a big bet in the bookies on Krammo.

Ubik42
nebunulpecal wrote:

Now if some crazy tie-break system (the winner is the player who lost most games) was used to determine the winner in this tournament, FIDE should be consistent and NOT use rapid games in the World title match in case of a tie between Anand and Carlsen.

Yeah...maybe FIDE should use the same tie break scheme in the match!

Oh, wait....

ChessZone9937

Everyone who is giving out about Carlsen should not forget that Carlsen is a child prodigy. So, if the new definition of prodigy is a person who uses cheap and dirty tricks to succeed in their field then anyone could be a prodigy. Kramnik has more experience and this is the reason he is able to contend with Carlsen. Based on natural ability Carlsen wins hands down.

shepi13
blueemu wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:
blueemu wrote:
 

A Grandmaster losing because he ran out of time is just as much to blame as a driver who had an accident because he was drunk.

Wow. You just compared Ivanchuk and Radjabov to a murderous drunk driver. 

Really?

My point was that if you lose on time, you should blame yourself, not the opponent.

The OP seems to feel that Magnus Carlsen is "cheating" by winning on time.

Well, all of the Carlsen fans have said that there must be cheating because Ivanchuk is losing on time. But when Radjabov practically loses on time to Carlsen, and a Kramnik fan says something, its idiotic, right?

I think I'm starting to understand how these forums work.

blueemu

I feel that both factions should get a grip. No-one is cheating.

shepi13
blueemu wrote:

I feel that both factions should get a grip. No-one is cheating.

I really like Carlsen more than Kramnik, but I just can't stand how Carlsen fans just think he's the best no matter what and that if he doesn't win it's a setup.

shepi13

Another thing that annoys me about Carlsen fans is when they call Kramnik boring because he is a positional player. Well, Carlsen is a great endgame player, does that make him boring?

macer75

I predict next year's championship will be Anand vs Kramnik.

shepi13

Once again, aren't we on a two year cycle?

varelse1

I predict this will be the last time Anand is ever involved in a championship match again.

Carlsen will kick his butt all the way back to India. Where he will ive out the rest of his days in medicre obscurity.

If you mention Anands name to children, they will say "That sounds familiar. Isn't he the guy who was Champion before Carlsen?"

macer75
varelse1 wrote:

If you mention Anands name to children, they will say "That sounds familiar. Isn't he the guy who was Champion before Carlsen?"

I wouldn't eve expect children to know the name of a current world chess champion, not to mention a former one (not that I'm saying Anand will lose). I didn't know who Kasparov and Anand are until about a year ago. I didn't know who Magnus Carlsen is until less than half a year ago. And I didn't know who Vladimir Kramnik is until this tournament.

SmyslovFan

I never complained about Carlsen winning the right to play Anand. I complained, before the tournament started, that this tournament format favored Carlsen. Carlsen made clear that he would not play in a match-play format to determine the World champion candidate and FIDE capitulated. 

What we get instead of a Candidate finals match between Kramnik and Carlsen (or Aronian and Carlsen if those two had finished first and second), is the person who beat up on the 6th place finisher most efficiently qualifies to play for the next world championship.

Oh, and no, I never recommended that such a match be played immediately after this tournament. Rather, schedule the match for June. If the World championship cycle is 2.5 years instead of 3 years as a result, fine. But there's time enough for that intermediate step. And yes, I do believe a sponsor could have been found for such a fascinating match.

Ubik42
macer75 wrote:
varelse1 wrote:

If you mention Anands name to children, they will say "That sounds familiar. Isn't he the guy who was Champion before Carlsen?"

I wouldn't eve expect children to know the name of a current world chess champion, not to mention a former one (not that I'm saying Anand will lose). I didn't know who Kasparov and Anand are until about a year ago. I didn't know who Magnus Carlsen is until less than half a year ago. And I didn't know who Vladimir Kramnik is until this tournament.

Well, most chessplayers know their chess history a little better than that!

However, to me it has in fact been a little murky ever since the FIDE split. I am glad they are apparently reunified now, and I hope that never happens again.

Like, was some guy named Ponomairav really a world champion at some point? 

nebunulpecal
shepi13 wrote:

Another thing that annoys me about Carlsen fans is when they call Kramnik boring because he is a positional player. Well, Carlsen is a great endgame player, does that make him boring?

And keep in mind that Kramnik sacrificed a whole rook in his first game against Ivanchuck. How is that boring and positional? 

macer75
SmyslovFan wrote:

What we get instead of a Candidate finals match between Kramnik and Carlsen (or Aronian and Carlsen if those two had finished first and second), is the person who beat up on the 6th place finisher most efficiently qualifies to play for the next world championship.

My thoughts exactly! The winner of the tournament with this kind of format is the player who wins more against weaker players.

macer75
macer75 wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:

What we get instead of a Candidate finals match between Kramnik and Carlsen (or Aronian and Carlsen if those two had finished first and second), is the person who beat up on the 6th place finisher most efficiently qualifies to play for the next world championship.

My thoughts exactly! The winner of the tournament with this kind of format is the player who wins more against weaker players.

And by the way, to go slightly off topic... This is one of the reasons why Barcelona does better in La Liga than in the Champions League (in addition to the fact that the teams in CL are generally much better).