Lack of respect
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The pleasure of mutual respect afforded by resigning is only understood by 1800+ players. Below this level it is a rare commodity.
I get annoyed when people DO resign. It robs me of an endgame. I prefer a good, clean checkmate any day.
King_William - Reb has been nothing but objective and wise, where as you are the nastiest piece of work I have had the displeasure of meeting here.
Once again you shove your nose where it doesn't belong. My business is growing out of its seams. My work is fully up to date and everything is going according to plan.
While I'm not keen on old folks at all, it's you, my forum friend that's the master of personal onslaughts.
Not keen on old folks? That seems rather rude.
King_William wrote: Reb wrote: King_William wrote:
Reb, if you must take a stab at it? Do you think I respect you now more, or less after your earlier postings?
I think you have no respect for others period willie, but especially you disrespect the elderly. You called me "old man" and you have also used age to attack another member here. It seems to me you are an "ageist". I have seen that its common practice for you to attack anyone who disagrees with you and if they are beyond a certain age you use that as one angle of your attack. I have seen you say that as an employer you would fire an employee that you caught here while they are on the job and yet you seem to spend a lot of time here yourself when you are on the job. Ever hear of leading by example? I suppose not.
Once again you shove your nose where it doesn't belong. My business is growing out of it's seems. My work is fully up to date and everything is going according to plan.
While I'm not keen on old folks at all, it's you, my forum friend that's the master of personal onslaughts.
What have you got against "old folks" willie? You know, IF you live long enough you will be "old folks" too. 
Things are getting personal here..
If it's a matter of early resign then it depens on the clock (it's a factor only on OTB chess) and on the level of the players. But I believe.. you are using "chess talk" for some "not chess" discussions. I don't want to be part of that.
Thank you for reading
King vs 2 Queens has happened to me lots, it is a bit frustrating but I figured my opponent wanted to hang on to his rating for as long as possible. One of my games was over in 3 days but my opponent strung it out for 2 weeks and 70 moves! Worse than that is someone who strings it out and then resigns 1 move before check mate. But what about the Draw option? I've attempted to draw a game when in a loosing position and once I pulled it off.
Jan 29, 2008
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#28
Two critereon have to be met. 1) You are convinced your position is lost. 2) You are convinced your opponent understands this. You are the agent by which he understands in the worst case.
Jan 29, 2008
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#29
Reb wrote:
Any player with any honor at all would have resigned when they dropped a piece to a higher rated player....DUH.
By this standard the complaining player should have himself resigned 20 moves or more before. But neither was a master ...
I never resign. If nothing else, I owe it to the people who may watch that game later, so they can see it play out. Also, if there's a chance of a stalemate, I won't take a loss.
Well save my sole, all this pomposity,.... respect,.... he won't,.... he doesn't,....I can,.... I can't........will he?..... won't he,..... not on time...... out of time..... resign,........ won't resign...... vacation,...... being rude...... not intelligent enough.... too clever......will win,...... can't win. moan's won't moan. PLEASE!!!!!!!! go get a life. Its a game. A game, which some of are good at, some of us are learning, some oif know when to, some know when not to, whatever. Just put up or shut up, or just stop playing all us minons as you think we are. PLEASE.
There is always a possibility of a stalemate. The guy with the two queens can give a stalemate. It has happened. Therefore it is not a case of disrespecting your opponent to play on, but a question of "fighting-spirit" in the faint hope of getting a draw. A chess game is not finished until one player gets checkmated!
You guys are all nuts.
If someone does not resign when down huge amounts of material with no compensation I will not play them again. If they do not accept a draw in a dead position and insist on playing on I will not play them again. Life is too short for that crap, I'd rather start another game and move on. Not to mention the complete disrespect that kind of behaviour shows. Luckily it usually only happens with lower rated players who probably don't know anything about positional evaluation or chess etiquette.
Ok, if some people read this correctly i stated that i have no problem with a player playing on in a lost position if there is something to learn. I do however have a problem with a person purposely dragging out a DEAD lost game where he has NO hope of a win or draw just to annoy his opponent. The title of this was Lack of respect and that is clearly what this type of behaviour is, but i guess i am the bad guy here and should just put up or shut up as i was so gracefully told Maybe those of us that still play with a little honor are Dinosaurs but if this type of behaviour is the future of chess then the game is in trouble.
if someone doesn't resign Q+P+K verses K, i guess Q+Q+K verses K isn't too different to expect the white flag.
Markie just stop it, we play the game because in our own way because we are all different. We should not be getting hung up on someone respecting us,.... Gee whizz!!!!. The game really will be trouble if the old dinosaurs, think this is the only way to play. We we are not talking about allowing the rules to be dimished, or manners to be sent packing, but to encourage new people into the game, we must allow them to come in, and play the game the way they want to. If they think resigning, when they have only lost a couple of pieces is is the way to play then fine, but some must be allowed to go on until the end. In a battle the winner is the last man standing, not the man who said, I've lost three of my troops so I'll resign. The winner say's no way, I will not give up until you beat me.
RetGuvvie98 wrote:
the game is in trouble, Markle.
trouble.
I help out at scholastic tournaments, and we often see kids games - sometimes one will have 2 queens, and a rook and a king, and the opponent a lonely king. When the kid with the pieces places one and says "Check" and the opponent moves out of check, and into check, and the other kid doesn't have the wits to realize it is an illegal move, and then moves again, a different piece......
after about 10-15 moves, with no progress being shown, we adjudicate it a draw - to get it over with.
sometimes, we get the kid who 'thinks' a lot too.... burning up a lot of time, while his opponent moves quickly. when we see that, we put a chess clock on them, and watch them speed it up then...... usually, one will blunder, the other capitalize on the blunder, and the game ends fairly quickly.
While we often see the kids play it out to the bitter end and checkmate, by the time they get into highschool, they have learned to resign when they realize it is "lost" and their opponent will likely get it right without giving any chance of stalemate. But: if you resign, you can NOT achieve a stalemate - that is the down-side to resigning.
so, there may be a reason for playing on - after all, if your opponent is goofing around enough, they may get careless and allow you to draw. Whether to play on or resign remains an individual choice.
off to other things.
If it's a tournament, you probably have the moves recorded, right? If not, you should. If it's found that an illegal move was made, the game can be reset.
It's always best to play on in my opinion, unless it's completely hopeless. It's not disrespectful, it's just I think checkmate is a better way to lose, and a better way to win. It's more satisfying either way, most of the time. (I hope that made sense)
Jan 29, 2008
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#38
Reb wrote:
Any player with any honor at all would have resigned when they dropped a piece to a higher rated player....DUH.
At higher levels it is reasonable to resign for this reason. For lower levels where there is a greater chance for blunders, the respect must be earned. It is also a learning experience for lower levels to continue play. By continuing play, they gain some experience in mid and end games.
Another factor for delaying resignation would be the type of game played. Blitz games have a higher chance for mistakes. Personally, and without meaning any disrespect, during blitz games i would continue the fight partially because of the adrenaline rush. Usually the stronger precision of the play by my opponents could slow me down enough to notice and resign. Other times you'd have to pry the sword from my dead body before i stop. (Hey, a last electric impulse coursing through my body may still give me one last swing!) I'd fight like the black knight from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail."
King_William wrote:
Ok queenie.
You have been elected as member of the year by the honorable Mr Stace (one of many people I respect tremendously) So I'll do my part and not moan about the moaners anymore.
lol
Hey, Willie,
I definetley was not having a go at you, I agree with most of your coments, you now I love your sense of humour. I like you, get fed up with people moaning about this site. What on earth they expect playing anyone and everyone from from all over the globe, is beyond me.
PawnFork> Unless the guy with the queens causes stalemate. Unless you have a darned good reason to risk it, one is probably the number of queens to use.
A good reason to use two queens is because they mate much faster than one queen. Just make sure every move is a check and you'll never run into stalemate. :)