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Hi, you might know me, and I have noticed I play really well for my level, but the reason I do bad is I AM REALLY BAD AT E4 OPENINGS AS BLACK. I usually play e5 and just tend to fall short in random four knights game traps or whatever everyone’s pet e4 e5 openings are, and I just don’t spend the time learning opening theory for it. So I started to try the Sicilian, and I liked it. I think I just need to learn the theory of course, but does anyone have any advice on where/how I should learn it? Thanks!

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I'm an e5 player and have a really high win rate with it. Had to study Gustafssons e5 course for ages though

I wouldn't play Sicilian if you don't like theory

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You can choose some less theory heavy openings by force. E5 or C5 give your opponents far more options than many other choices. For instance, something like the Caro-Kann only has maybe half a dozen common opening motifs, whereas the Sicilian has literally a dozen or more perfectly reasonable stems on white’s second move: Nf3, Nc3, Bc4, d4, c3, f4, d3, b3, a3, b4, c4, g3 literally almost anything!

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I do like theory, in moderation of course though. I played the caro cann and didn’t like it, I feel with how much I play chess learning the Sicilian will give me benefit in the long run if it’s almost 50% of the games I play. I also don’t have to know all the theory yet of course, I’m only in the 1400-1500 range so my opponents won’t either, just knowing the basics and staying solid with the principles I’ve learnt. I just don’t love playing e5 if I’m honest. I also don’t like the Scandinavian, and playing the Sicilian, it seems pretty fun and more to my liking. Just wondering how I should learn my theory.

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From my experience : I always play the Sicilian against e4 because I don't know anything else, I do not know much theory except the open and maybe the Bowdler attack but not that much more and it's not working out amazingly tbf, I think I have smth like 44-8-48.

So as others said, if you can learn all the lines it can really be a strong opening, but the problem if you don't know them all is that white (again from my experience) won't really play a specific mine, everyone seems to be played at the same rate so you can get caught off-guard. Maybe the caro-kann is the option?

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nonotrocosto2011 wrote:

From my experience : I always play the Sicilian against e4 because I don't know anything else, I do not know much theory except the open and maybe the Bowdler attack but not that much more and it's not working out amazingly tbf, I think I have smth like 44-8-48.

So as others said, if you can learn all the lines it can really be a strong opening, but the problem if you don't know them all is that white (again from my experience) won't really play a specific mine, everyone seems to be played at the same rate so you can get caught off-guard. Maybe the caro-kann is the option?

Sorry but I don’t like the caro cann, it’s just not really for me. I suppose I could try again but… I don’t know.

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The French maybe ?

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I just play petrovs defense/ Stafford Gambit because most people have no idea how to play against it

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Just_an_average_player136 a écrit :

I just play petrovs defense/ Stafford Gambit because most people have no idea how to play against it

I in fact have no idea of what it is

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I played the Sicilian as Black from the time I was about 1400 over-the-board rating.

This "need to be an expert in theory" stuff is nonsense. Are you playing against a GM?

The way to learn an opening is to play it and lose. Then figure out WHY you lost, and try again.

I played it against Tal in 1988 in Saint John in a simul and drew.

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blueemu wrote:

I played the Sicilian as Black from the time I was about 1400 over-the-board rating.

This "need to be an expert in theory" stuff is nonsense. Are you playing against a GM?

The way to learn an opening is to play it and lose. Then figure out WHY you lost, and try again.

I played it against Tal in 1988 in Saint John in a simul and drew.

Thank you, I think that’s good advice, advanced players are typically the ones giving advice, and they see people playing things that aren’t suitable in progressed theory of the opening they’ve played, so teach the lower players to not do that if they are not going to learn all the theory, and that only matters if your opponent knows this deep theory. I will probably learn theory for the general lines of what I should do if they play c3 or whatever, but not too many moves deep or anything too far.

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A large reason too is my win rate is terrible with the kings pawn opening, 36%, and even worse with 20% with the four knights. Compare this to my Sicilian, 40% win rate just barely lower than my win rate with it, which is good considering I don’t have the theory. These numbers are as black in the last 90 days if that matters. If I go all time, my number hover more around 50% with the kings pawn opening, due to larger game sample size. I’m not sure, but Sicilian could help.

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nonotrocosto2011 wrote:
Just_an_average_player136 a écrit :

I just play petrovs defense/ Stafford Gambit because most people have no idea how to play against it

I in fact have no idea of what it is

I just blindly spam it and hope for the best

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another useless e4. e5. no wonder you're so terrible at this game. Why don't you just quit instead. That would make us all happier.

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blueemu wrote:

I played the Sicilian as Black from the time I was about 1400 over-the-board rating.

This "need to be an expert in theory" stuff is nonsense. Are you playing against a GM?

The way to learn an opening is to play it and lose. Then figure out WHY you lost, and try again.

I played it against Tal in 1988 in Saint John in a simul and drew.

You played it against Tal?

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There are plenty of repertoire books on playing 1...e5. Those have been around for years and are usually an easy study. I have a bunch of them, going back to around 1980.

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blueemu wrote:

I played the Sicilian as Black from the time I was about 1400 over-the-board rating.

This "need to be an expert in theory" stuff is nonsense. Are you playing against a GM?

This is what I always say as well (in my head, but still).

If you need to be good at openings to play the Sicilian well, then why does a humble, 1200-rated player like me boast a >60% win rate when playing both with it and against it? Surely my win record with it should be horrendous because I only know a few of the most common lines and ideas, but instead my Rapid rating rose by over 400 points in 2025 — and the Sicilian Defense was by far my most played opening, according to Wrapped.

Strange, isn't it?

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Queen_Bird wrote:
blueemu wrote:

I played the Sicilian as Black from the time I was about 1400 over-the-board rating.

This "need to be an expert in theory" stuff is nonsense. Are you playing against a GM?

The way to learn an opening is to play it and lose. Then figure out WHY you lost, and try again.

I played it against Tal in 1988 in Saint John in a simul and drew.

You played it against Tal?

In a simul.

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crotonninja1isagm wrote:

I learned it by looking at master games as well as looking at some yt videos from GMS. I would personally recommend the najdorf since its probably the best Sicilian, and even though its theory intensive, at our level (1400-1500) people only play a couple things; the Bowler Attack, Open Sicilian, Closed Sicilian and the Alapin. The Bowler Attack is really easy to play against, I recommend 2. a6 or 2. e6, The open Sicilian just go into the Najdorf variation and learn theory ( mind you there's a lot to learn), The Closed Sicilian is my least favorite to against as its really positional but its not that hard to learn the common responses. And against the Alapin there are a lot of good yt videos on how to play against it. I would totally recommend it, just yesterday I beat a 2200 with the Sicilian and 94 accuracy!

I do play the najdorf! Thanks for the advice! happy.png

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As an e5 player, I recommend the two knights. It’s positional and solid without having lots of theory or being super slow.