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moemen13

Dear fellows,

     As an amature player and a fan, I was thinking to myself, what is the maximum limit, I could improve to in chess!! ......

     Fantasy talking, sky is the limit; unfortunately, the serious thinking, leads me to very unpleasant result. Taking into consideration my current abilities and results in online gaming, I think that the limit is so close... Thinking so is very disappointing me and shuttering my happiness even with the game pleasure sometimes.

      Have you ever thought the same??

      You have much more self confidence into improvement ?? ( Is there a plan or just fancy? )

      Or you just don't care??  ( fun of the game is enough )

       Which of these 3 are you? and Why?

moemen13

Very interesting comment RoseQueen1985 !!

Actually, my state is very close to you.... I was playing in the age of 11 till 15 , stopped and back agin 3 months ago. Very fast jumped to this level, but then I think it is hard to improve, although I do some reasonable efforts.

       But as you say reaching 2000 rate, do you mean here in chess.com ?? or OTB game (FIDE for example ?? )

GhostNight

Good post 1985, that was a very encouraging post, this question often comes up with slightly different format, but the question is really "can I improve".  You answered it nicely. So really people must know it is hard work and at times you must give up other things they may enjoy doing.

   Ans., to question I have much self-confidence that I can improve my game, but I know that I could not  sacrifice all the other activities in my life to reach that higher level.  The priorities in your life must be taken into consideration before you go over board in chess.  Especially if it may affect others in your life!

GhostNight

Well, I find that a little sad, you may need to spice up you're life just a bit more, hmmmm?  Maybe a trip to Las Vegas?   When you say you almost play 40 games a night , is that blitz or bullet chess?  If not, thats incredible! 

AndyClifton

I am just beginner which is good, so I have very much to improve!  I will get much much better!

CharlyAZ

Hi, Moemem

Everybody with a brain can improve at chess Laughing

What do you need is to know what do you want to reach. And only depends of your age and your level right now. And of course, a good guide afterwords. Let me know.

@RoseQueen: Hi Rose: what kind of books do you read? What have you read?

CharlyAZ

@Rose: You look very confident :) that's good.

I think the book you say of Valeri Beim is "How to calculate chess tactics", is that right? Not bad, but you have to have a set of exercises to practice...

Anyway, I always see players obsessed with "I have to calculate better" idea. That's interesting, because tactics and calculation is the easiest skill in chess you can improve. Most of them do not know that what really boost their game is the understanding of the strategy of the game, all the positional intricacies that they can master knowing how to assess the game at any stage. That's what I asked you before: What kind of strategy have you read? Because those really can help your game.

Have a good day.

CharlyAZ

Ah, I forgot! Speed chess is not that bad if you can dose it. If you really can't go to Blas Lugo's club to play tournaments, you can split your efforts playing turn-based games here at chess.com and then work on your blitz. The more games you play the more you advance.

slow games like 3 days per move will tune your analitics skills, will give you room to improvise and experiment, and you will get a grasp of some openings. And if you combine it with serious study and training, well, you will get better. :)

Good luck.

moemen13
CharlyAZ wrote:

Hi, Moemem

Everybody with a brain can improve at chess

What do you need is to know what do you want to reach. And only depends of your age and your level right now. And of course, a good guide afterwords. Let me know.

@RoseQueen: Hi Rose: what kind of books do you read? What have you read?


Hi Charly,

       I am 29, and rated +1800 here in online gaming.... I play live on playchess, rated 1600. I don't know how much rate does that indicates in OBC.

      My biggest 2 problems in Chess are time ; I have a real problem with this. I try to improve by playing Blitz.the second is flactuation in level, one game I play great, and the next I drop a piece!! ( I usually analyse my serious games with engines later) .... in this, don't know what is the problem, so I can work on it

CharlyAZ
RoseQueen1985 wrote:
I've read "My system" several times. I've also read how to reassess your chess and the amateurs mind several times. As for tactics, I use Peshka for that. Improving tactics for me is very important. Sometimes even for positional reasons you need to be able to calculate. In endgames for example, being able to calculate whether or not your king will have the opposition 7 moves from now may help you decide a trade. Any amateur knows about weak pawns, doubled pawns, weak squares, rooks on 7th etc. That's not the hard part. The hard part is converting a positional advatange to a win. Often times, the opponent is hanging by a thread and the only way to win is to sac something. But I'm not about to argue that with a master.

 Rose, you have said it: any (or almost any) amateur know about strategic topics. Well, that's is not that true, but is not the way I want to go. What I want to go is this: you know about it, but you can't apply it. there is a difference between learn and train. You learn strategy, but you don't train it. That's a failure in the whole chess literature; there is two reasons: write about tactics and openings is easy (the golden egg, if I can say), than write books about strategy. the second reason for those authors that they do write about what matters in chess is they can't train strategy to the readers because the format: in a book you can't compile thousands of positions. That's the experience you need to convert positional advantages to a win, for example.

And of course you can argue with me Laughing: I could be wrong!

CharlyAZ
Hi Charly,

       I am 29, and rated +1800 here in online gaming.... I play live on playchess, rated 1600. I don't know how much rate does that indicates in OBC.

      My biggest 2 problems in Chess are time ; I have a real problem with this. I try to improve by playing Blitz.the second is flactuation in level, one game I play great, and the next I drop a piece!! ( I usually analyse my serious games with engines later) .... in this, don't know what is the problem, so I can work on it


 First, if you drop a piece so often, you are green. Tactics is overrated, but you need it to improve that part of the game. If you want to improve, you need get better at tactics. No time? when I started, I (and some of my students) used to have with me all the time some paper with diagrams to solve in any idle time... and if you can hold it in your memory, you dont need the paper, a quick look at the position and keep walking thinking in the position. Please, dont do that driving or doing dangerous activities.Wink

And now, the worst thing you are doing is analyzing your games with engines. It's preferable do it moving the pieces, than with engines. You are not getting nothing out that. Really, right now it´s the worst thing you are doing.

Other thing: try to play some slow games, and if you are really tight of time, do it at 5 days per move, for example. The best, of course, is play tournaments live, but when you can't you can't.

Good luck

CharlyAZ
RoseQueen1985 wrote:
^ well what I do is follow Silmans advice. Try to get some lasting static advatange out of the opening and base a plan about it. It could he dominating a key square. It could be obtaining the two bishops. It could be doubling the opponents pawns. Etc. The problem that I have is that I almost never get to practice that unless i play some quiet opening. If I play my pet opening as white, the Vienna game, within 10 moves they've hung a piece. It's almost like they literally have no clue on what to do.

 Lol, so you have to play stronger opponents.

moemen13
RoseQueen1985 wrote:
^ lol we are talking people rated 1700+ falling into well known traps.

I think you need to get to play higher rated players, Rose.

I think playing against lower rated players all the time, would not help

CharlyAZ
uhohspaghettio wrote:

I don't see how analyzing with an engine could be bad at any level. No way.

Anyway, blitz is all well and good until you hit a brick wall.


When you analyze with an engine, you are not doing any work, hence you are not improving.

If you want to analyze with an engine, do it first by yourself, and later with computers. Anyway, this only works in really complicated positions and some endgames. Don't trust a computer for positional assessments.

But, you know, I can be wrong. Wink

kco
CharlyAZ wrote:
uhohspaghettio wrote:

I don't see how analyzing with an engine could be bad at any level. No way.

Anyway, blitz is all well and good until you hit a brick wall.


When you analyze with an engine, you are not doing any work, hence you are not improving.

If you want to analyze with an engine, do it first by yourself, and later with computers. Anyway, this only works in really complicated positions and some endgames. Don't trust a computer for positional assessments.

But, you know, I can be wrong.


 Agreed with CharlyAZ on this one.