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Justs99171

Jul 22, 2016

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#181

Merovwig wrote:

Most London players I know like closed centers and wing manoeuvers (the ones they crave for in their mainline).

So I came up with something to blow up the center which is kind of "Nope" to the London:

An idea like another. I think you can also reach it when you are a 1...d5 player.

PS: I'm definitely not a London player, I'm not the one moaning here and that's exactly because you are that I (respectfully) say that your attitude against them is ridiculous. ;)

This is actually similar to what I do, except I push d5 much sooner.

Merovwig

Jul 22, 2016

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#182

Clark_757 a écrit :

My point is if it came out of his mouth, which trust me it would, everyone would agree. Because back then grandmasters were grandmasters. Not computer based brains studying the top pick move of stock fish

Stockfish does not pick the move for you OTB (otherwise you are basically... a cheater). Grandmasters use engine for preparation. So what? It requires more accuracy from both sides and GM nowadays still perform amazing games.

And unless your opponent is a monkey, you still have to play well when using a opening system. Thinking that systems do not require understanding and knowledge to be properly handled is a common mistake from those who know ANYthing about them.

It's also a common mistake from weaklings who pick systems without any proper work.

Main line ('cause yes, there are sidelines) of the Nimzo-Larsen?

Positional themes such as: Control over the e5 square, giving up the bishops pair but keeping the center close (with thematic good knight against bad bishop if we reach an endgame) / play against double pawns, outpost in c4 / huge tactical shot on Black easy mistakes.

Colle / Nimzolarsen / Zukertort... Those systems where extensively used by masters of the past without any dogmatic "bahbahbah c4 pawn bahbahbah!" in brilliant games. And to win, not to sleep on the board.

There is no shame in trying to play like Zukertort, Nimzovitch, Lasker, Rubinstein, Petrosian, Polugaevski, Tal, Fischer and so forth. Maybe it does not always match today styles but it's still chess, and within good hands it can be great chess.

Today's proof: victory of Carlsen over Giri, around 2800 elo points.

At 2800, it's bad faith if you say "it's not chess". Okay, let's say Giri had a flue that brought him to patzer level, sure.

[eyerolling]

thegreat_patzer

Jul 22, 2016

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#183

Justs99171

Jul 22, 2016

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#184

Oraoradeki wrote:

Justs99171 wrote:

Oraoradeki wrote:

Sure go play the London System but...

Be prepared to play alot of boring games and get ready to fight for equality with White pieces from move 3.

What do you play against the London System?

The best way to annoy a Londoner is to not play their opening. KID is a decent choice, although I’ve also considered playing a double Fianchetto setup to put those London players out of their book (always fun to see a booked up idiot confused).

However, even this sequence is enough to make a local Londoner wish he played c4 on move 2 or 3 because its hard to prove any advantage

Bottomline, I'd rather quit chess than play this opening with White pieces.

I've tried the KID setup and Grunfeld set up both against the London System.

The Grunfeld is my main defense against 1.d4

FMJackMate

Jul 22, 2016

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#185

Well I guess they will write about the London bridge system then? Also boring...

Justs99171

Jul 22, 2016

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#186

Robert_New_Alekhine wrote:

First, I wanted to say that I'm not a London Player.

The advantages of the London System are very clear. Maybe it's not a way to fight for an advntage, but you get a very solid position with attacking chances on the kingside, with all of your pieces functioning. You have good central control, you have good development, you have a solid position, you have an attack, it seems like a very good position to me.

Carlsen and Kamsky have heavily popularized the London System in the past few years. Take a look at this nice Carlsen game, and then think twice about condemning this opening:

Carlsen played some very simple moves, yet Tomashevsky, a very strong Grandmaster, was crushed in just 30 moves. The goal of the opening is to get a playable middlegame, and white certainly got that in this game. He then simply pushed his opponent off the board.

Now, I'm sure that London System haters will all start screaming and bashing my head, so I'm going to go take some popcorn right now. Will the world's largest Popcorn Ball be enough?

Look at the rating gap between the two, you bimbo.

FMJackMate

Jul 22, 2016

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#187

Against the London you just have to stay calm, drink your protein shake and play like a badass. Show no respect at all and mate them with 3 knights if they wont resign. Or straight out disrespect them by going g5 after Bf4.

Merovwig

Jul 22, 2016

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#188

Justs99171 a écrit :

Look at the rating gap between the two, you bimbo.

Look at today's Carlsen's victory with the London over a 2800 top Grandmaster, you bimbo.

Justs99171

Jul 22, 2016

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#189

Merovwig wrote:

"Everyone was drawing knifes while arguing over the London opening. And thus started WWIII"

No no no ... Only the anti London System people drew knives. The London System players just got cut up because they were too wimpy to fight.

thegreat_patzer

Jul 22, 2016

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#190

it was a fight over london bridge of course. not london. that city is pretty skanky anyways. the london bridge is mastery of brick. he who holds the bridge might survive the middlegame....

Justs99171

Jul 22, 2016

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#191

Spectator94 wrote:

Going to write down the names of all anti-London people in this thread and should I run into one of them I'll play the London for an easy psychological edge.

You can play it against me. What you just said is stupid. I don't think anybody here is even uncomfortable defending against the London System with the exception of the person who started this thread.

My understanding is that draws with black are good so draws with white are bad.

For an amateur that doesn't want to study?... Damn. Why even play chess?

At top levels, I don't think Carlsen will be playing it against Karjakin this year. Perhaps if he is leading the match, has white, and only needs a draw.

thegreat_patzer

Jul 22, 2016

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#192

A better view of the attack

FMJackMate

Jul 22, 2016

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#193

The average London System player is 90 years old and left handed which is the reason why he touches the c1 bishop so early, its more comfortable.

Robert_New_Alekhine

Jul 22, 2016

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#194

All these players grumbling and grumbling but they can't say that anything is concretely wrong with the opening.

Justs99171

Jul 22, 2016

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#195

ArchieBunker01 wrote:

Lower rated players who play the London have a way better shot of getting good at chess than the idiots that memorize 20 moves of najdorf or Spanish theory only to still consistently blunder a piece 10 moves into the game because their opponent went out of book early and forced the guy that just memorized lines to actually play chess. The London is simple, solid, and gives you a playable position everytime which allows you to spend your study time on the parts of chess that are actually important. I would never bash on anyone for taking such a simple (and smart IMO) approach to learning such a complicated game, only a fool would.

If that is part of their study plan, great. Usually it's not. Usually it's their plan to not study. That's the problem.

Justs99171

Jul 22, 2016

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#196

FMJackMate wrote:

I just crushed some London System Patzer on my ICC smurf account in 18 moves lmao. I am sure after that game he immediately went to chessbase and bought the new Colle System DVD. I'm going to crush this system tomorrow, lets see what he is going to buy after that.

hahahahaha

FMJackMate

Jul 22, 2016

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#197

Thanks for the pictures great patzer, I hope I'm not gonna find you under one of these London bridges or I will strike at you with my Russian friend Trompovsky!

Merovwig

Jul 22, 2016

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#198

@Justs99171: actually, the grumbling part was for Clark_757. I went back to him after the first sentence following the quotation.

Whatever Carlsen's goal was he still managed to win against one of the very best players in the world after an allegedly dumb or drawish opening.

Justs99171

Jul 22, 2016

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#199

Robert_New_Alekhine wrote:

jengaias wrote:

People of your level find boring everything they can't understand.

There are no boring openings , only boring players.

+1

The idiots who claim the London System are is a bad, boring opening are hte idiots who cannot seem to win against it.

This is just blatantly false. They should hire you for politics. You're a total pro at misinformation campaigns.

thegreat_patzer

Jul 22, 2016

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#200

I would be delighted to play you a game over chess on a German U boat under the London bridge.

but... that certainly would be a hard match to arrange.