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Clark_757
Jul 22, 2016
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#161
My point is if it came out of his mouth, which trust me it would, everyone would agree. Because back then grandmasters were grandmasters. Not computer based brains studying the top pick move of stock fish
Jul 22, 2016
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#163
You do realize Fischer did play the KIA, a system opening, often in his younger years.
And ThrillerFan saying that the London System focuses one one square only is just ridiculous.
And ThrillerFan saying that the London System focuses one one square only is just ridiculous.
You guys need to do this Safely,
happily per the power of google, you too can reach across the void to get
the Great bobby fischer's current opinion on the London
Part 5
Communicating Safely
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1Cleanse yourself for reception before the channel opens. Depending on your interests and your tradition, you may find it necessary to chakra cleanse thoroughly prior to channeling, as a way of balancing and cleansing your energy pathways. On the other hand, you might find it more effective to pray, recite a mantra, or otherwise center yourself physically and emotionally.- However you choose to cleanse yourself for your investigations, make sure that you establish a mutual understanding and respect with your spirit guide. It's extremely important to establish boundaries and articulate your desires
per http://www.wikihow.com/Channel
your welcome
oc there's tons more. you will of course get much further ahead allowing the Great WCC's of the past to guide your reportoire than the half baked light-bulbs that post on this forum.
(me included)
LOL
see you guys are being receptive already?! thats wonderful. or...freakin very frustrating. i'm now completely fearful I will end up competing againt capa and morphy.
I will need to channel better and deeper so I get to the highrated guys and you guys are left with the almost famous.... no more hints
Jul 22, 2016
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#168
ThrillerFan wrote:
ArchieBunker01 wrote:
Lower rated players who play the London have a way better shot of getting good at chess than the idiots that memorize 20 moves of najdorf or Spanish theory only to still consistently blunder a piece 10 moves into the game because their opponent went out of book early and forced the guy that just memorized lines to actually play chess. The London is simple, solid, and gives you a playable position everytime which allows you to spend your study time on the parts of chess that are actually important. I would never bash on anyone for taking such a simple (and smart IMO) approach to learning such a complicated game, only a fool would.
Wow, talk about extremist!
Uhm, I never said you should memorize 30 moves of Najdorf theory. You can learn a lot in chess by not memorizing any moves at all, and just playing natural moves after 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 or 1.d4 d5 2.c4.
There is no real logic, rhyme, or reason behind the London System. You are basically trying to control 1 square on the board, e5, and say to hell with it for the other 63 squares.
Take the QGD. 1.d4 d5 2.c4. What does c4 do? It threatens to remove the central pawn, force a piece to go to d5 (at the moment the Queen) and then build up the big center. So Black plays 2...e6 so that if White ever does take, Black can take back with the pawn and continue to control e4, the other central square that White did not occupy on move 1, and actually weakened by playing 1.d4.
So now, what should White do after 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6? Well, our plan is to attack the d-pawn. So 3.Nc3 puts more pressure on the d5 pawn. Black responds 3...Nf6, trying to defend his strong point on d5.
Now what? Well, I can't really put any more pressure on d5 directly without moving my Queen out early. So how about instead of directly attacking d5, let's pin one of its defenders with 4.Bg5. After 4...Be7, unpinning, White needs to get his Kingside pieces out so he can castle. He can't move e4 because the pawn would hang, so he goes 5.e3 to get the Bishop out. Black castles, and now Knights before Bishops, so 6.Nf3. After 6...Nbd7, Black has committed his Knight, and can't go to c6 now, so White can try to grab the c-file since it can't be blocked very well with 7.Rc1. After 7...c6, solidifying d5 and creating somewhat of a block on the c-file, White won't be able to easily roll into Black's territory on the Queenside.
So now you've seen 7 moves of Queen's Gambit theory, but not via memorization, via explanation and understanding. If you actually understand this, you would have some idea what to do against a weird move, like 6...Na6 instead of 6...Nbd7.
If all you are doing is memorizing moves and not actually going out of the way to understand why each move is made, then you are just as dumb as those that think taking the lazy route through the use of the London System will get them success are!
Complete central control over d4, e5, and e4 for white. Natural development. Lots of opportunities for either side, very rich position. What could be better?
Jul 22, 2016
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#169
Robert_New_Alekhine wrote:
jengaias wrote:
People of your level find boring everything they can't understand.
There are no boring openings , only boring players.
+1
The idiots who claim the London System are is a bad, boring opening are hte idiots who cannot seem to win against it.
I will counter that statement with the fact that I said it's a horrible opening, I can beat it regularly as Black, and post 118 shows the killer solution on how to beat the London System, especially if you know for a fact that White is a London Player.
Hahahhaha I just beat another low 1900 newbie who tried the London in 21 moves. That smurf is so fun. Hope he doesnt quit chess.
Jul 22, 2016
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#171
Once again, I completely agree with you that in post #118 black is better.
However, we are talking about the London with 1.d4 d5 2.Bf4. What I can't seem to understand is what is so "bad" about that. White has made logical developing moves, so how can that be "bad"?
Carlsen, a new adherent of the London, just played an excellent game against Giri in Bilbao (1-0). If it's good enough for Carlsen, it's good enough for me.
(By the way, Carlsen now equalized his score against Giri, who was the only Top Player who had a plus against him).
One can hardly claim that the London is "boring" after seeing this game.
Jul 22, 2016
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#172
I played an interesting London System (which I don't think I've ever played before) against a very strong player (2300). I, not being familiar with the opening, probably completely misplayed it, but I DID win in the end.
The opening serves one purpose, to get to a playable middlegame.
L. Portisch.
How you get there is up to you.
Me
Jul 22, 2016
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#174
Isn't that spam Diakonia?
That's at least the 3rd time I'm seeing you post this comment on this thread.
Jul 22, 2016
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#175
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
The London System is a rock solid opening which can be anything you want it to be.
so the london is like pokemon's ditto :}
Robert_New_Alekhine wrote:
Isn't that spam Diakonia?
That's at least the 3rd time I'm seeing you post this comment on this thread.
Trying to get a point across :-)
Robert_New_Alekhine wrote:
Isn't that spam Diakonia?
That's at least the 3rd time I'm seeing you post this comment on this thread.
Merovwig wrote:
Justs99171 a écrit :
It's stunning how stupid people are. [...] Naturally, talk trash and insult people to cover up for their deficiencies and inadequacies as theoreticians.
Please, don't be ridiculous: just look at the topic title before acting as a victim advocate ("London system scrub").
Plus, once again, I'm not a London player.
Of course a lot of weak players chooses to play systems. Still, if you have trouble against it, it just mean your opponent has a better understanding of what is playing on the board.
At "club level", I have seen 1900-2000 players who took the London (or others) to put their opponent off book, to launch an attack on the King/ or go for an endgame, because they were more likely to have the upper end in these fields in "unknown" positions (at least for their opponent).
At Grandmaster level, it's (rarely) a winning choice since you don't get that title by having lack of skills in strategy, defense or endgame. And most of 2000+ players have prepared something against it that kill their joy of playing it.
I did. So you should instead of grumbling because you cannot reach your favorite variation of the semi-slave or the KID. Since you have an opponent, chess is also (mostly) about being able to play stuffs you don't want. It's your job to drive him in something he does not like.
Just like London players do with you.
Like I said, it's funny how stupid people are ... but you? It's downright offensive. First, you haven't told me anything I don't already know. So you're an idiot. 2nd, I'm not grumbling.
I stated very clearly numerous times that everyone should play the London System; just not exclusively.
Take your illiterate self else where.
FMJackMate wrote:
Well I could open a thread on how to crush this opening but that would mess up the chess lifes of many London System players and ruin the London System industry. Some London System chess authors might have to sleep under the bridge if I do that. Life is like chess, always think ahead...
London System authors deserve to sleep under a bridge. London System players deserve to have their chess life messed up.