Lower-IQ Grandmasters?

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Pondisoulenso

This kid's brain isn't even fully developed, and I doubt if his IQ test scores, even adjusted for his age, but especially if results were directly compared with adults, is that high. Asked if he was a genius, he said something like, "No, I'm just very good at what I do."

https://youtu.be/_308KNAuFkg

Preggo_Basashi
Pondisoulenso wrote:

This kid's brain isn't even fully developed, and I doubt if his IQ . . . is that high.

Carlsen has an amazing memory. That alone will help out with some portions of an IQ test.

He speaks multiple languages and works with logic problems all day. That will also help.

It would be strange if his IQ were only 100.

But people who think you need 160 or 200 to be smart don't know anything about it tongue.png

If Carlsen were 1 or 2 standard deviations above average that would pretty expected I think.

hadzovic

hahahahahahahahahahhahah! ha! you trying to become smarter or something? think about it... what does it matter.

darkunorthodox88
hadzovic wrote:

hahahahahahahahahahhahah! ha! you trying to become smarter or something? think about it... what does it matter.

only because its the most valuable thing a human can possess? 

darkunorthodox88
SpiderUnicorn wrote:

IQ doesnt matter. 

 

liberal nonsense.

Preggo_Basashi

 It matters less than most people think, but it still matters.

darkunorthodox88
SpiderUnicorn wrote:

mister darkunorthodox88 idk why you so stupid

 

typical liberal media!

Preggo_Basashi

Liberal media sometimes makes me roll my eyes and groan. I can think of at least a few recent examples.

But Trump is garbage.

Before 2016 I had certain epistemological standards. Trump is a reality TV star, born into extreme wealth, with a personal proclivity towards hyperbole. A true moron by my standards, but not for the reasons the media often likes to broadcast.

r2d2bb8
lfPatriotGames wrote:

My guess, and it's only a guess, is that grandmasters probably have a lower than average iq. When I see what grandmasters do, and that is spend a tremdous amount of time to become good at something that returns so little, it seems that it might take someone a little slow to think that's a good idea. 

If one thinks that chess is nothing but a game, that person hasn't understood anything about chess.

darkunorthodox88
Preggo_Basashi wrote:

Liberal media sometimes makes me roll my eyes and groan. I can think of at least a few recent examples.

But Trump is garbage.

Before 2016 I had certain epistemological standards. Trump is a reality TV star, born into extreme wealth, with a personal proclivity towards hyperbole. A true moron by my standards, but not for the reasons the media often likes to broadcast.

what policies of his do you oppose?

Richard_Hunter

I.Q. testing is on the verge of pseudo science, I think. I've yet to see any of its proponents produce one piece of evidence that it's an accurate measure of intelligence. It's about as accurate as a lie detector test, another piece of garbage right wing Americans seem to fervently believe in.

Preggo_Basashi
darkunorthodox88 wrote:
Preggo_Basashi wrote:

Liberal media sometimes makes me roll my eyes and groan. I can think of at least a few recent examples.

But Trump is garbage.

Before 2016 I had certain epistemological standards. Trump is a reality TV star, born into extreme wealth, with a personal proclivity towards hyperbole. A true moron by my standards, but not for the reasons the media often likes to broadcast.

what policies of his do you oppose?

That's a trick question, he doesn't have any political stance, he just says whatever he thinks will get him applause at that moment. If enough people dislike it, he just goes on TV and does a 180 reversal. Then a week after that, he might reverse again. Sometimes an actual politician hands him some papers to sign, and he'll do that, but that's about it. The rest of the day he's on twitter, as Paul Ryan puts it, "trolling" people.

Everything else is just him saying "it's gonna be great, but no details, and it will happen at some unspecified date in the future, and everything is bad, no details for why, but it's horrible, but we'll make it great, believe me, but no specifics."

He's a TV star, so this is expected.

Myrms1

Low IQ GM?  I hope there is such a thing; it gives me hope that even I can become good at the game. happy.png

Preggo_Basashi
Myrms1 wrote:

Low IQ GM?  I hope there is such a thing; it gives me hope that even I can become good at the game. 

All you need is someone to cook food for you, give you a place to live, make your schedule for you, and train you, and in such a way that you couldn't say no even if you wanted to.

You know, like a child whose parents got them coaches wink.png

Taskinen
Richard_Hunter wrote:

I.Q. testing is on the verge of pseudo science, I think. I've yet to see any of its proponents produce one piece of evidence that it's an accurate measure of intelligence. It's about as accurate as a lie detector test, another piece of garbage right wing Americans seem to fervently believe in.


I'm not sure if you quite understand what pseudoscience means. IQ testing is standardized test that measures certain very specific cognitive traits, and through various meta-studies proven to be also fairly accurate at testing them. It does test the subjects ability in things like visual processing, long- and short-term memory, quantitative reasoning, fluid and crystallized intelligence and sometimes (depending on the test) also reading and writing ability and auditory processing. People who score higher in IQ tests are stronger in those areas of intelligence.

I understand intelligence is a broad term, and there are types of intelligence that are impossible to measure with something like IQ test (social and emotional aspects of intelligence), but it doesn't mean that IQ testing is by any means pseudoscience. There have been multiple meta-studies proving that people in certain occupations have on average higher IQ. PhDs and professional chess players are amongst them

Since IQ testing tests those parts of intelligence (like pattern recognition, logical thinking, visual processing and memory), where excelling is almost mandatory to becoming a good chess player, it seems just logical that having a higher IQ is a huge asset in becoming a good chess player. Someone with higher IQ isn't necessarily a good chess player, but it will be much easier for them to learn than someone who isn't as fluid in those parts of intelligence. How much you can cover with intense practice, that much I don't know.

darkunorthodox88

those denouncing IQ know little of it, and instead vaguely ally themselves with pseudo-scientific multiple intelligences theory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSo5v5t4OQM

Richard_Hunter
Taskinen wrote:
Richard_Hunter wrote:

I.Q. testing is on the verge of pseudo science, I think. I've yet to see any of its proponents produce one piece of evidence that it's an accurate measure of intelligence. It's about as accurate as a lie detector test, another piece of garbage right wing Americans seem to fervently believe in.


I'm not sure if you quite understand what pseudoscience means. IQ testing is standardized test that measures certain very specific cognitive traits, and through various meta-studies proven to be also fairly accurate at testing them. It does test the subjects ability in things like visual processing, long- and short-term memory, quantitative reasoning, fluid and crystallized intelligence and sometimes (depending on the test) also reading and writing ability and auditory processing. People who score higher in IQ tests are stronger in those areas of intelligence.

I understand intelligence is a broad term, and there are types of intelligence that are impossible to measure with something like IQ test (social and emotional aspects of intelligence), but it doesn't mean that IQ testing is by any means pseudoscience. There have been multiple meta-studies proving that people in certain occupations have on average higher IQ. PhDs and professional chess players are amongst them

Since IQ testing tests those parts of intelligence (like pattern recognition, logical thinking, visual processing and memory), where excelling is almost mandatory to becoming a good chess player, it seems just logical that having a higher IQ is a huge asset in becoming a good chess player. Someone with higher IQ isn't necessarily a good chess player, but it will be much easier for them to learn than someone who isn't as fluid in those parts of intelligence. How much you can cover with intense practice, that much I don't know.

It's bullshit, dude.

darkunorthodox88
Richard_Hunter wrote:
Taskinen wrote:
Richard_Hunter wrote:

I.Q. testing is on the verge of pseudo science, I think. I've yet to see any of its proponents produce one piece of evidence that it's an accurate measure of intelligence. It's about as accurate as a lie detector test, another piece of garbage right wing Americans seem to fervently believe in.


I'm not sure if you quite understand what pseudoscience means. IQ testing is standardized test that measures certain very specific cognitive traits, and through various meta-studies proven to be also fairly accurate at testing them. It does test the subjects ability in things like visual processing, long- and short-term memory, quantitative reasoning, fluid and crystallized intelligence and sometimes (depending on the test) also reading and writing ability and auditory processing. People who score higher in IQ tests are stronger in those areas of intelligence.

I understand intelligence is a broad term, and there are types of intelligence that are impossible to measure with something like IQ test (social and emotional aspects of intelligence), but it doesn't mean that IQ testing is by any means pseudoscience. There have been multiple meta-studies proving that people in certain occupations have on average higher IQ. PhDs and professional chess players are amongst them

Since IQ testing tests those parts of intelligence (like pattern recognition, logical thinking, visual processing and memory), where excelling is almost mandatory to becoming a good chess player, it seems just logical that having a higher IQ is a huge asset in becoming a good chess player. Someone with higher IQ isn't necessarily a good chess player, but it will be much easier for them to learn than someone who isn't as fluid in those parts of intelligence. How much you can cover with intense practice, that much I don't know.

It's bullshit, dude.

this is the equivalent of an "K" after a 5 paragraph heartfelt rant.

say something productive and defend your thesis or why bother spamming ?

Preggo_Basashi
darkunorthodox88 wrote:

those denouncing IQ know little of it, and instead vaguely ally themselves with pseudo-scientific multiple intelligences theory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSo5v5t4OQM

Interesting guy.

I'm surprised he says (not in this video, I googled him) that the science behind global warming is not scientific but ideological.

Yes, the topic has ideology, but it's only ideological on one side. There's the science side, which agrees temperatures are rising and humans are (at least partly) responsible, and then there's the non-science side that tries to taint the evidence by injecting ideology into it.

Although even those people seem to be relenting, and agreeing that ok, temperatures are rising, and global warming is real, but they go on to say humans have nothing to do with it. I don't know which group he's in.

Preggo_Basashi

Oh, he's a psychologist.

lol

Come on... he thinks he can disagree with actual scientists who have studied this stuff?

Good IQ video, but I don't trust him on climate change wink.png