Magnus carlsen v bobby fischer who would win? Reason your answer
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At the end of the day bobby went insane and tho he took the world title he didn’t get up to much after that Carlson on other hand went on a 125w streak at one point drew a match the last world as an has been a pretty much undisputed champion for some time a lot of sources call him the best chess player of all time it’s true bobby didn’t have access to all of the resources Carlson does but if you listen to his last public appearance on witch is on YouTube he goes on about how he hates chess because it’s become to much about remembering moves than natural talent.. At least for me I don’t think bobby could put up against Carlson
blahblahcrazyzack wrote:
it might be bobby because his iq is higher then carlsons
You don't know either player's IQ.
Magnus. Bobby Fischer was good when he was young, but still 2500. Magnus is like 2800. Magus also has more prepping. Bobby would be terrible unless it’s young bobby vs young magnus. Bobby would we when he is young against young Magnus, but old vs old, Magnus would win.
Apr 5, 2023
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MagnusCarlson202020212022 wrote:
Magnus. Bobby Fischer was good when he was young, but still 2500. Magnus is like 2800. Magus also has more prepping. Bobby would be terrible unless it’s young bobby vs young magnus. Bobby would we when he is young against young Magnus, but old vs old, Magnus would win.
Bobby Fischer was 2700, not 2500. While I agree Mangus has better prep, Fischer isn't that far behind. Also, Fischer played in far less tournaments and resigned/lost in many games because of his madness, for example he once middle fingered, stood up and left. Bobby has better feats too, playing the game of the century at 13, beating grandmasters easily while being a teen, and at his prime, he won a world wide chess tournament with a perfect score (11-0) something that has never been done before and has never happened again.
Bobby Fischer for sure. Because he's older. And also taller.
MAGNUS CARLSEN FOREVER
Magnus Carlsen
thunder_tiger123 wrote:
Spiritbro77 wrote:
Take Fischer at his prime and hand him a laptop, Chessbase, Fritz and one of the top chess engines(be it Houdini, Komodo or even Stockfish), some endtable discs and 2 or 3 years to work with it? Fischer wins in my opinion. Probably handily. Pluck him out of 1972 completely unprepared? He wouldn't do well. Though it might be closer than we think... He might not know modern theory, but he'd know old school. Probably a lot of stuff Magnus has never seen before over the board... Fischer knew a LOT about chess. Old openings found in some obscure book... Fischer could throw some curve balls at Magnus and then we'd see if he can hit that figurative curve.... Still I doubt it would be enough under those circumstances.
Man, what would a computered up Fischer look like? Scary thought.
if you could do that, it would be a pretty easy win for fischer IMO. but you can't so fischer would probably lose.
Fischer is so overrated. It's hard to be called a genius in the engine era even though Magnus has near equal talent. Also fishers opponents just weren't that good. Like the fact that Fischer beat all the top players shows how bad they were when in this engine era draws are extremely common. Magnus could dominate even in this era when chess got popular which Fischer could never do. I know this comment is old but now Fischer is considered the 3rd best almost all the time
DId the bobby fischer people forget that we are talking about magnus
Carlsen
Magnus would win I believe but I wouldn’t doubt anyone that said Fischer either.
fluffynnaj wrote:
thunder_tiger123 wrote:
Spiritbro77 wrote:
Take Fischer at his prime and hand him a laptop, Chessbase, Fritz and one of the top chess engines(be it Houdini, Komodo or even Stockfish), some endtable discs and 2 or 3 years to work with it? Fischer wins in my opinion. Probably handily. Pluck him out of 1972 completely unprepared? He wouldn't do well. Though it might be closer than we think... He might not know modern theory, but he'd know old school. Probably a lot of stuff Magnus has never seen before over the board... Fischer knew a LOT about chess. Old openings found in some obscure book... Fischer could throw some curve balls at Magnus and then we'd see if he can hit that figurative curve.... Still I doubt it would be enough under those circumstances.
Man, what would a computered up Fischer look like? Scary thought.
if you could do that, it would be a pretty easy win for fischer IMO. but you can't so fischer would probably lose.
Fischer is so overrated. It's hard to be called a genius in the engine era even though Magnus has near equal talent. Also fishers opponents just weren't that good. Like the fact that Fischer beat all the top players shows how bad they were when in this engine era draws are extremely common. Magnus could dominate even in this era when chess got popular which Fischer could never do. I know this comment is old but now Fischer is considered the 3rd best almost all the time
Fischer overrated?...such an absurd comment.
Jul 25, 2023
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#114
Sorry. As I was saying, the elo system was very different back then. So magnus
Jul 25, 2023
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#115
Magnus is simply better, and all the top GMs for that matter, the simple truth is that modern chess is just simply better than fischer's time. Fischer likely would struggle the most in the opening, due to all the advancements over the years, and middle game understanding is also sligtly more understood due to computers and more human resources/experiences. now if fischer had grown up in this modern era it is very likely that he wouldve been one of the top GMs today (before he went crazy).
Magnus
Since it is impossible to bring all the greaat players together, the only way to get an idea who played the best is to analyze their games by modern chess engines. I have seen claims that Carlsen played best overall compared to all the others, but it depends on how one uses the data that is available. As far as mistakes Fischer seems to win the "blunder test" with Kasparov coming in second and Carlsen third. One can also come to the conclusion of who is best by how far the players are above their peers and that definitely puts Fischer ahead of Carlsen. Its probably true that Fischer would have to be brought up to snuff on chess theory and opening moves to match Carlsen if they were to play a current match in their prime but the bottom line is there is no hard evidence who overall is the greatest of all time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v7kTQLnTzk&t=462s
Guys, but what are you talking about? I'm afraid you don't know Bobby's story, let's review it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4I8o08QvAk
warlard69420 wrote:
premio53 wrote:
As far as mistakes Fischer seems to win the "blunder test" with Kasparov coming in second and Carlsen third. One can also come to the conclusion of who is best by how far the players are above their peers and that definitely puts Fischer ahead of Carlsen.
Load of false statements.
But it is true that Fischer was World Champion for a mere 3 years before scarpering from Anatoly Karpov... For any reasonable person, that already disqualifies him from the discussion.
Bobby Fischer could easily have been World Champion before 1972 but he was fed up with FIDE and all the cheating the Russians engaged in by agreeing to grandmaster draws giving Soviet players the benefit of being fresh in critical games. That is why he boycotted the the 1964-65 Inderzonal and left the Sousse 1967 Zonal. Fischer was a self-taught grandmaster and wasn't nursed along like Carlsen and all the other grandmasters with coaches and computers. He quit high school at 16 and learned Russian on his own to study the Soviet chess literature because he knew those were the ones he had to defeat in order to become champion. When he decided to go for the title he won 20 games in a row against world class competition with no draws and crushed Spaasky in the title match in 1972.
Fischer retired from chess in his prime but has not Carlsen also retired from serious chess? At about the same age Fischer was Carlsen has given up on serious classical chess it seems for playing 5 minutes skittles. A drunken Carlsen who goes around flipping people off can no longer compete in elite tournaments because it takes too much hard work and stamina at that level. In his last classical tournament he failed to win a single game and that includes games against a 2641 rated player. He lost to a 2700 player (Niemann) and faked his outrage by implying Niemann cheated with no evidence whatsoever. Check out these videos. Do you really think this Carlsen living a playboy lifestyle and is time after time shown on video getting drunk could really beat Fischer in his prime?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8keKtgEO8bM
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/B0vMwOGWVKg
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/B0vMwOGWVKg
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/h8OhLlCntPQ
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nm35ErHXZ14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDeeWspm7LA&t=21s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRnXTrKfqtY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRnXTrKfqtY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTC5OsLVPDg