Magnus losing on Chess tuesday, was it cheating?
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Feb 12, 2017
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Eould have thought those stats quite reasonable for a top GM What was the time limit?
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#4
he mouse slipped,and probally wasn't concentrating,He made an unsound sacrifice,rook for knight and pawn which was possibly an error on his behalf.
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Looks like white was content with a draw by 3 fold repetition but Carlsen varied on move 39. And he randomly hung the knight on the last move I guess in time pressure.
pullin wrote:
I don't usually condemn anyone for cheating online. It's online chess. There's no huge financial compensation for it online. It's also difficult to prove regardless, and that's the bar that's been set for everyone and the consequences that are accepted... I remember in the ps2 days playing competitive online gaming with obvious cheaters, but it was the price worth playing the game and competing.
Anyway, I reviewed the game with the chess.com engine and it says are "Deep" engine analysis the titled player who beat Magnus made 82.4% of the best move, and 53 excellent moves, 4 good moves, and 1 inaccuracy. That is possible, but also highly unlikely in a blitz game. I don't think you can penalize anyone for this performance, because then you're eliminating the possibility of people simply playing well out of fear of being accused of cheating. These are the consequences of online chess.
With that said, I'm highly skeptical.
I totally agree....I am extremely skeptical as well. But as you say, it's not good to hurl accusations either without proof.
Feb 12, 2017
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Magnus says he challenges his opponents to play 70 good moves; well GM Levin played 58 without a single mistake and it was good enough.
I'm not questioning the legitimacy. I'm sure he was trying his best against Magnus.
I'm not questioning the legitimacy. I'm sure he was trying his best against Magnus.
2Q1C wrote:
I doubt a GM would put his title on the line to cheat in an online blitz game. Some of you have no respect towards titled players. You should be ashamed of the accusation and delete this thread.
Yes GM's play a lot more honourably these days. They don't take that Bobby Fischer mentally of "Anything it takes to win", If we were talking about Fischer playing blitz and you accused him of cheating I would give this thread more mind. But the reality is that modern GMs now have more honour and respect for the game.
Feb 12, 2017
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2Q1C wrote:
I doubt a GM would put his title on the line to cheat in an online blitz game. Some of you have no respect towards titled players. You should be ashamed of the accusation and delete this thread.
I dont think anyone was accusing him, just remarking that his play was very engine like. with a rating of 2700 it is perhaps not surprising that the best moves are usually found
Feb 12, 2017
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VladimirHerceg91 wrote:
2Q1C wrote:
I doubt a GM would put his title on the line to cheat in an online blitz game. Some of you have no respect towards titled players. You should be ashamed of the accusation and delete this thread.
Yes GM's play a lot more honourably these days. They don't take that Bobby Fischer mentally of "Anything it takes to win", If we were talking about Fischer playing blitz and you accused him of cheating I would give this thread more mind. But the reality is that modern GMs now have more honour and respect for the game.
Fischer was better than computer at that time to cheat by its help.
Feb 12, 2017
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#16
Its not about how good the moves are, but how computerlike. Maybe white did lots of home prep on his comp in the line played
Feb 12, 2017
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#17
When I think of "computerlike," I imagine a mindboggling tactical fight played with perfect accuracy.
But this was a simple positional game where Magnus was once again trying too hard.
But this was a simple positional game where Magnus was once again trying too hard.
It's crazy how little respect people have for how hard it is to become a GM. And therefore, don't show them the respect they deserve. "Oh look, its a GM playing really well, must be cheating". Ridiculous. Have some more respect for the title, look at this thread and learn about the difficulties. https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/how-easy-is-it-to-become-a-gm
Maybe then you'll show some respect.
VladimirHerceg91 escribió:
It's crazy how little respect people have for how hard it is to become a GM. And therefore, don't show them the respect they deserve. "Oh look, its a GM playing really well, must be cheating". Ridiculous. Have some more respect for the title, look at this thread and learn about the difficulties. https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/how-easy-is-it-to-become-a-gm
Maybe then you'll show some respect.
Hilarious that this is coming from a dude who have said that going from 2600 to 2900 is as easy as going from 700 to 1000.
Pashak1989 wrote:
VladimirHerceg91 escribió:
It's crazy how little respect people have for how hard it is to become a GM. And therefore, don't show them the respect they deserve. "Oh look, its a GM playing really well, must be cheating". Ridiculous. Have some more respect for the title, look at this thread and learn about the difficulties. https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/how-easy-is-it-to-become-a-gm
Maybe then you'll show some respect.
Hilarious that this is coming from a dude who have said that going from 2600 to 2900 is as easy as going from 700 to 1000.
I never said it was easy, I said they're both difficult.
I don't usually condemn anyone for cheating online. It's online chess. There's no huge financial compensation for it online. It's also difficult to prove regardless, and that's the bar that's been set for everyone and the consequences that are accepted... I remember in the ps2 days playing competitive online gaming with obvious cheaters, but it was the price worth playing the game and competing.
Anyway, I reviewed the game with the chess.com engine and it says are "Deep" engine analysis the titled player who beat Magnus made 82.4% of the best move, and 53 excellent moves, 4 good moves, and 1 inaccuracy. That is possible, but also highly unlikely in a blitz game. I don't think you can penalize anyone for this performance, because then you're eliminating the possibility of people simply playing well out of fear of being accused of cheating. These are the consequences of online chess.
With that said, I'm highly skeptical.