Major problem with Anand - Carlsen match

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Avatar of PatMcKillen

The most exciting world championship I ever remember was Kasparov Short 1993 - some of the games there were outrageous. This has all the makings of watching paint dry.

Bring back Gazza

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Fixing_A_Hole wrote:

It's only 2 games in...

Perfect time to bemoan the lack of fighting spirit. It's early enough for the players to change course and start playing more ambitious chess.

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The world chess championship match should be atleast 18 or 24 match Having only 12 match game makes players catious. They are hesitant to try riskier ideas as one defeat is costly. Unlike in 24 match games, you know you have more games for possible comeback.

Avatar of Validior

people r saying bring back Garry for some excitement. uhmm, Garry and Anand drew the first EIGHT games of their WC match in 95

 

anyone remember the Kramnik Kaspy Wc match?? talk about boring. How about game 7, Garry was already down one game and he had the white pieces and it was an 11 move draw. Yeah, theres some real fighting spirit

 

or game 13, Garry with white, 14 move draw. Thrillsville

 

give the Anand/Carlsen match a chance...who knows it may get exciting after all

Avatar of Spelbnder

excessive draws and short games are the natural result of the tournament scoring rules.Back in the 70s Fischer was complaining about the same problem.Adding a simple rule like "Winner is whoever is ahead after 7 non-drawn games" might cure the problem.

Avatar of DrCheckevertim

Although someone has probably complained about this already, I feel like the match should be longer. Say, 18 or 24 games, as someone else mentioned. /shrug

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+1

Avatar of ClearIce

Well let's see:

2012, Anand-Gelfand started with six draws

2008 Anand-Kramnik started with 2 draws.

Alekhine-Capablanca in 1927 had 25 draws

Even Fischer & Spassky in 1972 drew more than half their games.

Avatar of royalbishop
Fixing_A_Hole wrote:
r_k_ting wrote:
Fixing_A_Hole wrote:

Kasparov and Karpov certainly have no problem accepting quick draws, Fischer on the other hand....

There hasn't been players with the fighting spirit of Fischer or Tal since....well, Fischer and Tal.  

Oh please, even Kramnik-Leko was more exciting than this. As for no fighting players, matches with Topalov have always turned out many decisive games.

It's only 2 games in...

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Avatar of ClearIce

I went to a fight and a chess match broke out.

Laughing

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ClearIce wrote:

I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out.

 

Fixed for you.

Avatar of KILLEDBYHONEYDIJON

It's laughable calling any chess boring.  Of course it's boring! to 99% of humanity.  Jeez...  No one I know outside of my chess club friends even knows this match is happening because most people are bored by chess.

Avatar of PAMetalBoss

What are you people complaining about? There's always draws in top-level chess. I thought they were well played and I've enjoyed them so far. Stop whining. 

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PAMetalBoss wrote:

What are you people complaining about? There's always draws in top-level chess. I thought they were well played and I've enjoyed them so far. Stop whining. 

+1 but as this case here we know wafflle (the OP)  was just kidding around. Laughing

Avatar of royalbishop

Yeah .... i am going to see Anand at the site of the match and end this crap. Taking my bat with me. I am going to wisper a few things to Anand. Bet the next game will not end in draw.

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lol royalbishop

Avatar of Validior

IMo the best matches were the Alekhine Euwe matches. They were real struggles

the 1935 match started with 8 decisive games out of the first 10!

the 1937 rematch had 7 decisive games out of the first 10

Tal Botvinnik 1960 had more draws but also stretches like games 6-11 with only 1 draw

hard to imagine 4 decisive games in a row in these modern times

Avatar of buddy3

Not only is there nothing on the board worth watching, I've seen videos of carlsen and anand and there is no emotion, no intensity, no Kasparov holding his head as if it would explode, no tal glaring holes in opponent, no Fischer jumping up every minute t scream at the arbiter. C looks uncomfortable, like he'd rather be modeling, A as if watching a bad Bollywood movie. This is part entertainment, after all. Chess is designed to be a struggle, not a dance.

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Agreed with OP. FIDE really needs to step in immediately and do something about this.

I suggest a small change in the regulations: if a player forces a repetition or offers a draw in a position in which he is even a tiny bit better (according to Houdini3), then that player should forfeit their entire purse, regardless of whatever else happens. If a player does it a second time, they should lose on the spot, and the opponent wins and gets the entire 100% of the purse. If it should escape the all-watching eye of the arbiters and the player somehow manages to do it a third time, they should be waterboarded or flogged with a cat o' nine tails.

These measures may seem a bit draconian to some, but the very future of chess is at stake here. I fear that anything less will allow the scourge of early draws to continue -- it may even infect chess outside the WC and cause the end of chess as we know it.

Avatar of ClearIce

With perfect play, all games would be drawn.  That is why the draw percentage increases as a player's rating increases.

If you really want to do something about it, you probably have to go to a form of random chess, such as 960, tho' I'm not aware of solid information on the draw percentage compared to standard chess.