Making Chess simpler for Americans

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Chess is is great game with a long history but like football it can never be considered truly global until it has conquered the most wealthy country in the world.  Think about it - 8 billion people live in China and can you name a single Chinese chess player?  Of course you can't they all play Go over there.  It's a cultural thing I think.

What I would propose is a similar approach to that which worked so well to break the game in the good old U S of A.  To recap from Pretzler's seminal work The American game:

"The game was radically simplified here to cater for the domestic American market.  The King and Queen were removed ("What's with this Limey Monarchist baloney?" source: Robin Fischer GM) and replaced with a single all powerful President which could pretty much do what it wanted.  The other pieces were all replaced by Cowboys with big hats and bigger guns.  Time control was strictly limited to ensure games did not out-last the attention span of the indigenous population.  The game can now easily be completed in its entirety during the advertisement break in The Simpsons over a Bic Mac supper..."

These small alterations had units literally flying off the shelves and General Electric's Chess TM was the biggest grossing game ever in that short period which constitutes American history.

I'm sure some small changes could be successfully made for the Chinese market any ideas Chess.com?

Avatar of Eternal_Patzer

Stereotyping Americans -- I can't believe you would stoop to such a thing.

Do we stereotype the Welsh?  We do not.  (We don't know enough about you to stereotype you)

Avatar of Beast719

Well if you will elect the stupidest man ever to hold public office TWICE what can you expect?

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Beast719 wrote:

Well if you will elect the stupidest man ever to hold public office TWICE what can you expect?


Not to make this a political discussion, but I'll take the Texan over the junior senator from Chicago any day of the week.

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I have no defense.

We do have a well-spoken black guy that keeps reminding us that there is no such thing as magic.

Avatar of liangkaiwen

mao zedong replaces the king, the bishops with tanks, the pawns with xiaolin monks, and the bishops with spearmen. good enough! im chinese so no problem!

Avatar of bcronmiller

May I direct your attention to the light bulb, the air plane, the microchip, the transistor, the automobile, the mobile phone, the personal computer, email, the internet, the space shuttle, GPS.

And not to mention dental floss and flouride in the water (but you wouldn't know about those in whales, I guess).

All invented in America along with 1000s of other things.  Including Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_inventions

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Eternal_Patzer wrote:

Stereotyping Americans -- I can't believe you would stoop to such a thing.

Do we stereotype the Welsh?  We do not.  (We don't know enough about you to stereotype you)


Tom Jones is my uncle.  He is typically Welsh strong, passionate, a good singer and drinker and a rugby fanatic.

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bcronmiller wrote:

May I direct your attention to the light bulb, the air plane, the microchip, the transistor, the automobile, the mobile phone, the personal computer, email, the internet, the space shuttle, GPS.

And not to mention dental floss and flouride in the water (but you wouldn't know about those in whales, I guess).

All invented in America along with 1000s of other things.  Including Wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_inventions


 someone's feeling offended!

 

Remember that without the greeks you wouldn't even have a democracySmile

Avatar of dylan

they like grape juice and the poetry of dylan thomas

also they never pay up on their wagers.

I would think to make chess popular in china one could have every game begin like this (see diagram) where white has just moved it's pawn and black would like to capture "en passant" but the judge refuses to say if white moved the pawn one space or two making further gameplay immpossible. at this point highly complicated negotiations ensue often involving the gift of panda bears.

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Beast719 wrote:
Eternal_Patzer wrote:

Stereotyping Americans -- I can't believe you would stoop to such a thing.

Do we stereotype the Welsh?  We do not.  (We don't know enough about you to stereotype you)


Tom Jones is my uncle.  He is typically Welsh strong, passionate, a good singer and drinker and a rugby fanatic.


is that unusual?

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no offense to any race but i have to speak my mind. why mess with something thats great? liangkaiwen but thats why they have sorry but i don't know the name but chinese chess. korean has it's own, and so does japan. yeah lets get rid of a queen and king to get a unless piece of crap. SeitelJN i agree with you and bush wasn't that bad considering he won the second term. the only thing i know about wales is it's near britain and is named wales. the only thing cool about wales i can thi nk of is my favorite manga charater Negi is from wales. and if chess wasn't great in the first place why would so many people play the game? i disagree with asians only play go. i'm korean and i admit i do play go but i play chess first. i've played since 3rd grade and 9th i started playing shogi and go. i'm thinking of learning how to play chinese and korean chess.

my rant is over. sorry for unorganized offensive material but you guys made me speak my mind.

if anyone can play chinese chess or korean chess please tell me how to play.

Avatar of bcronmiller

But we do not have a democracy... we have a constitutional republic.  And the Greeks did not have toilets or pants.  Besides the Greeks learned what they knew from the Egyptians.

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We need an ignore button.  Without provocation Beast719 insults Americans and weighs in on our politics in a manner calculated to stir divisiveness.

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i've never heard of anyone trying to bust a welshman's chops for being welsh.

anyway, i'm a yank and i feel like i'm holding my own at this game.  maybe it's cuz my mom comes from liverpool.  hahaha

 

the welsh did give the world ryan giggs and craig bellamy.  oh yes and ian rush.  not to shabby.  if i'm not mistaken michael owen also has some reason to believe he's welsh.

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You have an ignore button.  It is an X and it is in the upper right corner of your browser. 

I was not really bothered by beast719.  It is fun to debate issues with someone who we would never have interacted with if the US did not invent every form of communication that he is using.  What browser is he using?  Was in made in Welshland or where ever the hell welsh people are hatched?

I think not.

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Zembla wrote:

We need an ignore button.  Without provocation Beast719 insults Americans and weighs in on our politics in a manner calculated to stir divisiveness.


 IGNORE

Avatar of Cousteau

I think the original post presumes some sort of self-irony in the average American and Chinese chess player. Since I come from a country no-one outside of Europe has even heard of I'm safe from bashing. :D

Avatar of kenmack

bcronmiller, you are my chess.com hero until further notice.  I truly liked the comment on dental floss and fluoride in the water.  Also, your politics seem on mark but I'm sure most people have no idea about the difference between a democracy and a constitutional republic.  For those who do not know, let me explain briefly:

Democracy =  Mob rule (Good - Bad scale --> Bad)

Constitutional Republic = Rule of Law (Good - Bad scale --> Good)

Traditional American Constitutional Republic = Government is legally restricted from infringing on private property rights and individual liberties. 

Tyrants love democracy because the masses are easy to manipulate.  True freedom requires a culture of individual vigilance against those who would scheme to corrupt the rule of law.

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JetSetter wrote:

GM Bu Xiangzhi is from China. So there's one name off the top of my head. Oh, and GM Wang Yue. The Chinese chess federation has 300,000 members (citation here) which outstrips the USA's 80,000 members. The FIDE rating lists indicate 652 Chinese players with a FIDE ID (way behind USA's 4700+, but the US has been involved with FIDE far longer than China has).

In conclusion, you're an idiot.


 But do they play the simpler American version?

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